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Getting gliders up during the day??? #854409
10/19/09 12:35 AM
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I was wondering if there are any health/detrimental issues with gradually getting my gliders up during the day instead of night! Like I would keep their light on all night and off during the day and well just change the times they sleep.... Any problems with this and if so, is there any proof that these problems can cause health problems? I kinda feel like this should be in the "Fact or Fiction" section... Thanks for the responses! wink

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I have not seen proof as to whether or not this in deed causes health problems in sugar gliders. However, based on some of my past research studies, it has been proven in humans that when you alter the chemical producing agent (melatonin) it throws the energy levels off as well as prohibits the natural sleep mode level to reach it's maximum point.

While continuing to alter the natural body's functions (in this case for sugar gliders) or other nocturnal animal, you are altering and changing a natural force of their existence. In the long run, by not having the maximum depth of sleep, health problems can occur.

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I saw a video on youtube of a Zoo that is doing this so that people can see the gliders at their most active. They completely switch their day and night by making them think that it is night during the day.


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I saw a video on youtube of a Zoo that is doing this so that people can see the gliders at their most active. They completely switch their day and night by making them think that it is night during the day.


That is my plan! wink I plan on placing daylight (like) light is the room for the night, and for the day get blackout curtains! I think I am going to try and write/research all I can about it! I am switching my work schedule to nights instead of days! SO I will be spending more daytime with them! Keep the advice coming! I will have nighttime to spend with them still just not as much as before.

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I have set up rooms in my house that let me completely control day night cycles. One is my own bedroom because I suffer from unexplained insomnia and need to be able to control when my brain perceives night or day in order to be able to sleep at all even with medication helping. Currently the glider are in the bedroom and so they have come to live on my schedule. The daylight therapy lamp comes on when I need to wake up so usually 11am but currently my schedule is messed up from an ER visit followed by being admitted to the hospital where their rooms are not conductive to someone with insomnia so my light is coming on at 1pm until I can move my schedule back. All daylight spectrum light goes out at 11pm. Gliders currently wake up at around midnight and become most active around 6-7am then go to sleep around noon to 1pm. Sometimes though they are till awake at 2pm and crab at me for turning lights on before they go to bed. The door to the room is open all day and there cage is near the door so they do get some natural day light from the windows in the next room.

I also control the day/night in the spare bedroom next to me because I keep mini chickens in the house. These guys are smaller than a parrot and could fit in one hand so get rid of any thoughts you have a standard chicken. They are completely pets although we do eat their eggs. The roosters aren't real loud but I'd rather they didn't crow at daybreak and mess up my sleep so I blacked out that room too. I use the high powered compact fluorescent strip lights from my saltwater tank to run full spectrum daylight over them. Lights turn on one tube at a time starting at 10am and going off at midnight for 14hours of light. The minimum needed to fulfill a chicken's day/night cycle and keep them laying happily. I put treats out before I go to bed and when they wake up they rush to eat the treat so then the rooters forget to crow for about another hour until I'm normally ready to get up anyway. The windows are often opened for an hour or 2 a day or at least the covering taken off so they can also receive natural daylight.

Even daylight filtered through a window isn't the same as full exposure to light. Many humans develop depression or insomnia because they are never exposed to daylight without it going through a window. Which leads to a warning. Yes you can successfully control the day/night schedule of human and animal without health risks. However it should not be done with your standard light bulb. You need full spectrum lighting and I don't mean the cheap stuff like tinted incandescents that promise daylight spectrum or the daylight bulbs you can buy for a standard house fluorescent fixture. While the latter is close it's not quite there. You want either a true light therapy lamp/box or a mixture of fluorescent tubes like you would buy for plants or aquariums providing different lighting mixes in the 6500 to 10,000k range with some 18,000k bulbs being good but others labelled 18,000k are just blue/actinic. Along with that any light that leaks into the room after you want it to be dark no matter how small will throw off the entire thing and cause sleeping difficulties and health problems. You can't just flip a room light on and turn it off when you want and have your gliders receive what they need. All that will do with most animals and humans is mess with neurotransmitters so they stop knowing when night and day are and stop sleeping or get depressed. I setup these rooms in my house after much experience with full spectrum lighting on planted freshwater and marine reef tanks as well as 10years of research into my own insomnia and the impact sunlight has on sleep and mood.

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Re: Getting gliders up during the day??? [Re: Akane] #854473
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I'm sorry, but I just think this is all wrong. I don't think you should alter what is natural for an animal to suit your own needs. These creatures are nocturnal and I don't think it's fair to mess with their biological clock.


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I agree with Lynn. A nocturnal animal should remain nocturnal and only be awake for long periods on a different schedule if it is THEIR choosing to be awake like that. Ever hear the saying "don't mess with Mother Nature" ? Well, Mother Nature made gliders the way they are for a reason- blackout shades might HELP but not completely PROTECT the gliders' NIGHT VISION and VERY SENSETIVE eyes... but the internal "clock" that ALL living creatures have inside them would STILL be adversely affected.

It is a scientifically proven fact that when this reversal of night and day is affected on humans it can have some disastrous results... affecting our attitudes, moods, perceptions, even our depth perception and reaction times. Imagine what this must do to gldiers... no, I can't say I feel, in my opinion, that this is a good idea.

You should acclimate YOURSELF to THEIR schedule instead... if not completely, then at least to a point, as the majority of us do. I do not stay up ALL night to suit my gldiers, but I do make time for them every night... why force them to go against nature just to suit me? Remember... YOU chose THEM as pets- not the other way around- so YOU should be wiling to sacrifice a little sleep for them since you wanted them in the first place.

Just my opinion and two cents worth on it smile

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Re: Getting gliders up during the day??? [Re: LabNGliderMom] #854535
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Originally Posted By: LabNGliderMom
blackout shades might HELP but not completely PROTECT the gliders' NIGHT VISION and VERY SENSETIVE eyes


I agree with most everything you said with the exception of above...
That room with the blackout shade is darker during the day than it is at night with the moonlight outside, so their eyes would be completely protected and in no way harmed. But like I said I do agree with what you said and will take it into consideration. Oh and I am not asking this question because I do not want to stay up with them at night (Because for the last 6 years, everyday give or take 1 or 2 days. I have been up with them) It is because my work schedule is changing and I cannot control that without getting a new job. wink

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Great topic.

But I think that it should be the gliders choice if they want to get up during the day or not.

That's just me though. To each their own.


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I haven't seen any hard proof one way or the other as to whether this is detrimental or not.

I have heard of blind gliders that keep strange hours simply because they do not know what is day and what is night. I've heard of blind gliders with seeing cagemates that get the blind glider on a normal schedule.

I know my pair respond not only to light but the noise and activity level in my house. If I travel to a new place and they have more or less than they are used to, they will get up earlier or later depending, also depending on temperature their activity level changes - many factors at work here.

I would not try and alter my gliders' sleeping on purpose without a very, very good reason. The transition WILL induce stress. Unecessary stresses make them more prone to illness and IMO are not worth the risk. Really think about this job, are you always going to work night shifts? Is this a 3 month thing or a 3 year thing? I would not want to transition gliders to a schedule only to change it again in a few months. If it's a permanent lifestyle change for you, then maybe.

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My gliders have naturally changed their sleep schedule, which I am trying to correct (probobly by just leaving the blinds up at all times to show daylight and nighttime as it naturally occurs). I used to work a 9-5 shift and they would wake up around 8-9pm and stay awake till the early morning hours. I switched to a 2nd shift job and I get home around 8-9 and for awhile they would wake up but I sit on the computer alot and after awhile they were not waking up until later and later in the evening. At this point they don't wake up until around 3am and stay awake long into the day around 4pm.

I try to get them up when I get home from work but they love their sleepy time.

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I have had gliders for 10 years this month and I work weird late night hours. I have daytime playres, night time players & even afternoon glider players. All my gliders have changed their schedule to meet mine. I also have cronic insominia so when I am off work I am still up with them all night. All my babies are healthy & happy gliders. I have not seen any problems with the schedule change in my gliders. But I am only one person too and my gliders are doing fine with my hours.

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Thanks for all the advice and the move to the Fact or Fiction area! I understand where all of you guys are coming from. This will likely be a very long term thing (The job). Lets keep the opinions rolling on this!

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doesn't it also have to do with the gravitational pull from sun and moon? As little as I know about this subject I recall in a psych class this being a topic we touched on. The human clock would really run on 25 hours not 24. I like to be up all nigh and sleep all day but it is not normal and I do have mood swings and sleep issues when I am too far out of whack with my sleep habits.


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Originally Posted By: SweetGliders
I have had gliders for 10 years this month and I work weird late night hours. I have daytime playres, night time players & even afternoon glider players. All my gliders have changed their schedule to meet mine. I also have cronic insominia so when I am off work I am still up with them all night. All my babies are healthy & happy gliders. I have not seen any problems with the schedule change in my gliders. But I am only one person too and my gliders are doing fine with my hours.

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This is my experience as well. I keep very strange hours. I work from the afternoon till the wee hours of the morning, and therefore have a weird schedule. The babies I got from Val tend to get up in in the aftenoon to early evening, though I try to have mealie time an hour before I leave for work, so I can see how they're doing. Often they are still up and playing when I get back from work around 2am-3am, which is when I generally get them into the tent for some tent time right before I go to bed.

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My gliders are awake during the day also. They seem perfectly fine. No signs of ill effect. Very healthy and happy! They chose their own schedule.
I also have insomnia so I am up all day and most of the night.



I think that direct light to their eyes could eventually harm them if they were exposed to it for very long periods of time. But I don't feel that a little will hurt. Doesn't everyone have some kind of light on when they play with their gliders? Or is everyone playing with their gliders in the total darkness? I know I have at least one light on.
I think I read somewhere that as long as it is a covered light (ie with a shade) then they are ok, but a plain light bulb (or direct sunlight) is what will cause damage. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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SO I am finding that alot of people do have gliders awake during the day! I think that I will just start to adjust them to be awake in the day by having mealie time somewhere in the mid afternoon and see how it goes from there. wink

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If you decide to do it just keep an eye on them for any signs of stress. That would be the only thing I would be concerned about. Sometimes gliders can be really sensitive to changes in their enviroment and schedule. So if they show any signs of stress I wouldn't do anymore changes. But if they seem to be doing ok then they should be fine. That's just my opinion.

Good luck. Let us know how it works out for ya!

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I agree that they should be kept nocturnal unless they choose otherwise. I would never "train" my gliders to switch their day and night. I think it would be cruel. The narural thing for them to do is to be up at night, so I would assume changing that would have an effect on them.


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If you think about it from the way that Nick is talking about, they wouldn't be switching their day and night (at least they wouldn't know it). They would still have lights off and darkness when they were up, so the nocturnal situation would still be true. As long as darkness and light were continually shifted EVERY day/night, they would not know the difference.

That being said, I would move them to their new schedule slowly, so it does not cause stress as changing suddenly could throw them for a loop.


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I have some gliders that wake up around 7pm with the last group waking up at 9pm. The only time they get woken up during the day is if I take them out to put them in a bonding pouch to go somewhere. But during playtime and if I have to go into the glider room for any reason, I use a lamp with a dimmer switch. That way it's not too bright for them, but I can still see too.

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Well I have noticed that my glider is keeping my hours and well I have bad hours. I'm unemployed right now and have made it a habit to stay up all night until morning. My gilder sleeps longer than I do but I have noticed when I get up at around noon so does she. Is this a bad thing or is it okay as long as she wants to do it. I don't force her to.
Its kinda like sugarlope said. My computer room is right next to my glider room which has no door, so I guess the light in the computer room makes her stay in her pouch, but when I get up at noon she wakes up for a short period and then she gets back up around 6 or so, when it starts to get dark and stays awake for at least 4 hours playing and then she goes back to bed.
Also I just have to say, without trying to sound rude, that it's also unnatural for us to own them in that case, so it would be like saying you shouldn't own a sugar glider its not natural for them being caged.

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Originally Posted By: Heroine

Also I just have to say, without trying to sound rude, that it's also unnatural for us to own them in that case, so it would be like saying you shouldn't own a sugar glider its not natural for them being caged.


If I could go back and STOP who ever brought sugar gliders to the US I would!!! It IS unnatural for us to own them but now that we have them it is our JOB to give them the most natural and safe environment possible.


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I use a red light bulb when I play with my babies. I know zoos use red lights for their nocturnal exhibits. You can see very well and I don't feel it hurts my babies eyes at all.


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My gliders do not mind sunlight, It scares me but when they insist on coming out of the pouch I let them and assume they know what they are doing. I didnt intentionally start them getting up in mid afternoon, I would just pull out every pouch to be sure everyone was ok and give a snack if anyone looked like they wanted one then put them back. Now they will bark for me mid afternoon and play for like an hour then go back to bed. If I want to hold them in a bonding pouch I actually have to do it early morning, or after they play abit in the afternoon.

I do know that quite a few zoos thou do switch the day/night cycles on noctural animals with no ill effects or so they say. I agree if you do it, really watch for signs of stress.


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Originally Posted By: Janie
I do know that quite a few zoos thou do switch the day/night cycles on noctural animals with no ill effects or so they say. I agree if you do it, really watch for signs of stress.


This is quite right where zoo's are concerned, and I have seen this first hand here at the Little Rock Zoo.

The one huge factor taken out of this at the zoos is humans. There is NO human interaction, and these gliders are pretty much wild as we do not know how they are with the primate keepers.

They are pretty much left to act/interact as they would in the wild or as closely as possible. At our zoo there is a one way glass between the gliders and the spectators.

With captive gliders once you introduce us, which is the only reason you would want to change their sleep pattern, you have a whole other issue.

Mine are older now but even when they were young, they did not wake during the day, and I never woke them when we were at home. I can even vacuum their repts, and they do not wake shakehead Might get a crab or two but they demand their sleep.


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I don't like to be woke up when I'm asleep so I leave my little ones alone. I got them, knowing they were nocturnal and have no problems leaving them to their natural cycle. Yeah, I miss them at night, but I get over it. smile


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I am like you KarenE, I can run the vacuum all day long, have my music blaring, talk on the phone...doesnt bother them at all. I let them sleep during the day.

How many times do we see posts of people complaining about their gliders barking all night long and keeping them awake...how grumpy they are because they didnt get their sleep...well now think of how that glider feels if they keep getting woke up during their normal sleeping time...


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Re: Getting gliders up during the day??? [Re: Srlb] #865144
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Originally Posted By: Srlb


How many times do we see posts of people complaining about their gliders barking all night long and keeping them awake...how grumpy they are because they didnt get their sleep...well now think of how that glider feels if they keep getting woke up during their normal sleeping time...

Revenge? LOL!

Good point, Peggy!


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Re: Getting gliders up during the day??? [Re: suggiemom1980] #865158
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I do remember only one time when I was vacuuming the repts with a different vacuum, they all came flying out of their pouches in all three repts. I really didn't think it would make a difference since they were sleeping.

So I quickly turned it off, retrieved the old canister I normally used and continued what I was doing.

I looked up at the top of the rept I was working on and noticed they all sort of shook their heads, looked at me like "have no clue what YOU were thinking", and scampered back to their pouch with a final crab for good measure. I looked at the other repts and everyone was back in their pouches too roflmao

The ole canister vac takes a little longer but ohwell


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