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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: ] #1116786
05/20/11 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: kimbo6605
i did not get my glider from pocket pets but we did get our cage from them. do you know which cage it was that was recalled


I would suggest you contact them directly.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: ] #1116787
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Originally Posted By: kimbo6605
i did not get my glider from pocket pets but we did get our cage from them. do you know which cage it was that was recalled


Kimbo send me a private message and i'll tell you which cage it was that I had.

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: ] #1116788
05/20/11 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: kimbo6605
i did not get my glider from pocket pets but we did get our cage from them. do you know which cage it was that was recalled


It is the starter cage that has been affected from Pocket Pets, if you have their single or double upgrade cage you should be fine. Please feel free to contact Pocket Pets if you are unsure.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116794
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I am going to give a brief recap because I am going to be on the road for about an hour but will check back in.

Pocket Pets is doing a cage recall for their affected customers, so far they are the ONLY company issuing such a recall.

New cages being sent out from Pocket Pets are from a different distributer than the affected cages.

Martin's cages also appear to be affected but those are NOT the same cages Pocket Pets uses, same TYPE cages but different companies altogether.

Some private owners who built their own cages from the wire in question also have been affected, hence the deduction that the common factor in all this is wire used to build cages by many far & wide.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116808
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I have the "Posh Sugar Glider" Martin's cage. We literally got it in the mail yesterday and set it up last night. Would I be okay to go home and scrub the heck out of it, or is it a lost cause? frown


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116821
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I would say scrub the heck out of it. Better to be safe than sorry.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116823
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Sami right now the community doesn't know if scrubbing these cages will work or not.
That is a judgement call that only you can make.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116828
05/20/11 12:48 PM
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I wouldnt use any cage that comes from there. Noone knows if they switched batches or companies.

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116845
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It has been recommended to use Dawn Dish liquid with SUPER hot water and SCRUB (with a scrub brush) and rinse with hot water as well. Do this a few times.

This is recommended by OSHA and veterinarians alike in many instances. Dawn Dish liquid is what OSHA recommends for clean up of oil on animals in an oil spill as well.


Not everyone has the money to put into another cage so quickly after just getting one.

Sorry Sami, I know that cage was not an expense that you were looking at having to flush down the toilet.


sherri

Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic.
My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116858
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Originally Posted By: Trigger


Pocket Pets has 2 distributers they use for their cages, 1 of them had the bad wire and therefore the problem with some cages in certain regions, the new cages they are sending out are from their other distibuter who is not using the bad wire.
Pocket Pets from a purely business standpoint would not send out replacement cages to the customers just to suffer the exact same problem all over again.


Okay...so I need to understand this. All heck has broken loose because gliders are sick and dying from Martin's and (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets cages. However, we don't know WHAT the problem is because the results of the tests haven't been returned. We don't KNOW what it is in the wire, we're just sure it's the wire. Yet above, you state that it's already been determined that one distributor has the bad wire. How is this possible if a) we don't have test results to TELL us what's wrong and b) we don't know what it is IN the wire that's bad.

I'm just trying to understand, that's all...

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116861
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Several people have had their cages and have washed them down repeatedly before putting the suggies in and have had this happen. Therefore washing it again probably will not solved this problem. I too did not have the extra money for another cage but I spent all that money on the vet visit, meds, euthanizing Taz I was not about to let them die. So I had to rob peter to pay paul and get another cage.
This really does stink .

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: DCMuffin] #1116867
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Originally Posted By: DCMuffin
Originally Posted By: Trigger


Pocket Pets has 2 distributers they use for their cages, 1 of them had the bad wire and therefore the problem with some cages in certain regions, the new cages they are sending out are from their other distibuter who is not using the bad wire.
Pocket Pets from a purely business standpoint would not send out replacement cages to the customers just to suffer the exact same problem all over again.


Okay...so I need to understand this. All heck has broken loose because gliders are sick and dying from Martin's and (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets cages. However, we don't know WHAT the problem is because the results of the tests haven't been returned. We don't KNOW what it is in the wire, we're just sure it's the wire. Yet above, you state that it's already been determined that one distributor has the bad wire. How is this possible if a) we don't have test results to TELL us what's wrong and b) we don't know what it is IN the wire that's bad.

I'm just trying to understand, that's all...


From what I gather, (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets uses two different cage manufacturers and only gliders in one of the two are getting ill; therefore, the assumption is made it is isolated to a certain batch/distributor. This is the way I understand it anyway. However, since Martins isnt providing ANY information about which of their cages may be implicated we have to assume they all are a potential risk (at least those purchased in the last 4-6 mos anyway).


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116871
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Thanks, Kevin...so still, this is a supposition and not FACT. I think that needs to be stressed to people that we can't say for sure that the only one of them had the bad wire...it's only that so far, that's what's showing up.

The monkeys are coming out of their cage today and will go into something different.

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116873
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i have contacted Pocket Pets in refernce to this and havent heard anything yet about it. So when i do i will let everyone know

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116879
05/20/11 02:28 PM
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I contacted Martins cages about my cage and they said until yesterday they only heard about 1 case of gliders getting ill in their cages. However yesterday and today they received lots of email regarding this.

she is compiling a list of people who call her that bought a cage from them. She also said she is pulling the cages off the site until whatever is causing this can be found.

She did tell me to pull the gliders from the cage until the reason is found. I told her I did pull them and have them in a different cage and that 2 gliders were affected and 1 passed away and a necropsy and testing is being done on him.

She said it does sound like the cage is the cause but testing is not showing anything.

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116884
05/20/11 02:34 PM
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Since I know the wire is at the least similar, has anything been linked to Klubertanz wire? I know many people buy their wire from Klubertanz (me included). If there is a connection, we really need to know so we can protect our gliders as well.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116886
05/20/11 02:37 PM
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Teresa, I do know that the same wire company that suplies Martin's does supply the wire for Klubertanz as well, I do not have any further info on them as of yet.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116889
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That's scary.

I haven't bought any in a very long time (couple of years) but was planning on another purchase soon...guess that is now off the table!


Has Klubertanz been made aware of this situation?


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Sherri] #1116890
05/20/11 02:45 PM
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I did this same very thing a few days ago and the black coating has since started to come off. So now I am forking up the money and buying one from Granite State Gliders today, a local suggie store/breeder. Pocket Pets is sending me a new one, but I am not waiting for however long it takes for them to get it to me. And the one I am planning on buying is much bigger...
So hopefully my sick little guy has a 100% turn-around. The shaking has stopped, and he's been eating and drinking as usual, but his hind legs still seem affected. Does anyone know if this is reversible?

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Sherri] #1116903
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IF the cage is from Pocket Pets, then you don't need to fork up $ to buy a new one- they are sending out new cages free of charge. All you have to do is email them- once you tell them your sugar baby is sick, they will send you one out asap for free.

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116906
05/20/11 02:54 PM
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Rodzgrl, at this point people are seeing a very good survival rate WHEN
1 gliders are immediately removed from cages
2 push fluids, push fluids, push fluids


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116912
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Rodzgrl,
Chloe has stopped shaking, wobbling, seems stronger and seems to have regained her back legs since she was on the meds from the vet. I ordered my cage from suncoast and had it within 3 days.

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: ] #1116916
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Originally Posted By: Rodzgrl
I did this same very thing a few days ago and the black coating has since started to come off.

The black coating is coming off my (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets travel cage!!!!! worried


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116939
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I see where it has been reccommended to clean your Martin's cage with Dawn and whatnot. But my friend who bought her cage wire from Martin's, and then built her own, washed the cage wire with everything, multiple times, and if you knew her you'd know her cleaning/and care for her babies is #1.

Well all that cleaning did not work for her. She had several gliders ill/die, and it happend in more than one cage.

If it was me and I had just got a brand new cage (or a cage this year) from (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets or Martin's, I would not use it, no amount of cleaning would do. I'd put it in the garage and wait for further information or I'd send it back and demand a refund.

Pop up cage or a cheap flight cage is much better than taking a risk and relying on Dawn.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116942
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Thank you Alicia for the information on the success of just trying to clean the cages.
I understand the frustration and expense of getting another cage but I agree, with my babies better safe than sorry is the way to go.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: suggiemom1980] #1116946
05/20/11 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: suggiemom1980
Originally Posted By: Rodzgrl
I did this same very thing a few days ago and the black coating has since started to come off.

The black coating is coming off my (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets travel cage!!!!! worried


Connie, I can only advise contacting Pocket Pets directly regarding the black coating coming off your travel cage, I know absolutely nothing about the travel cages, to my knowledge these are not the cages in question or involved in this recall but you really need to go straight to the company for an answer on those.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: GliderGuy540] #1116986
05/20/11 06:00 PM
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My glider is very sick & I am in contact with Pocket Pets as is my vet. It's pretty serious at this point. I have removed him from his cage, but it may be too late.

We got Bammer with his cage in January from Pocket Pets. If you need any other information from me, please let me know. It's so sad to see him suffering. I don't want anyone else to have to suffer what me & my son & Bammer are suffering now.

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116988
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Daysea, most people affected are seeing improvement withing a week of getting their babies out of the affected cages and following vet care. FLUIDS have been vital, please get your baby to take fluids and more fliuds to flush the toxins from his system.

Glad you got to the vet and got your baby out of the cage.
Rooting for Bammer down here in TX!


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1116996
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The vet didn't seem to optimistic. He said he's seen 15 in the last month from this issue & they've been able to save 50% and none will ever be 100% they said. I'm hoping he's wrong.

Thanks everyone for the info & links on temp solutions for cages. We are being sent a new cage free from PP, but it may not be here for a couple weeks.

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART ONE [Re: Trigger] #1117013
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Daysea, where are you located in VA?

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