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(Toxic cage thread) from PPP about Martins Cages #1121310
05/30/11 04:38 PM
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(Mods I put this in Health since that is where the other cage thread is. I think it will be viewed more here.)

I received a phone call today from (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets. They would like to extend a hand out to those who own or received Martins cages from January until April 20, 2011.

As you know (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets has been in contact with their customers and been working on replacing cages from their customers due to recent events. Out of concern for all gliders and the potential of more glider loss from contaminated cages/wire they are willing not only to replace their cages, but also they are offering to replace any cages/wire purchased through Martins Cage Company that was purchased from January until April 20, 2011 with a safe wire starter cage.

The purpose is to have a safe temporary cage for your glider until you are able to get a larger cage.

All you need to do is to send an email with a copy of your receipt from Martins (or paypal invoice) to cagereplace@sugarbears.com (the email will not work from here, but if you just copy and paste it, you will be able to send it.)

Please help me spread the word to any one you can think of that has been affected.

Last edited by sugarlope; 10/09/11 05:54 PM. Reason: changed title

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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121312
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That is wonderful news!


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121317
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Wow, go Pocket Pets! It is wonderful to see someone going above and beyond to do the right thing (especially since martins won't step up)! Good that somebody is worryin about these gliders and making sure they are taken care of smile

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121318
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Wow, go Pocket Pets! It is wonderful to see someone going above and beyond to do the right thing (especially since martins won't step up)! Good that somebody is worryin about these gliders and making sure they are taken care of smile

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: ] #1121331
05/30/11 05:44 PM
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I am (happily) quite surprised by (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets and all they are doing - not only for their cages, but for Martin's as well? That is absolutely fantastic! Thanks for sharing this information.


Darby

~ Lucky to have rescued all of my :grey: "silly goosies" and my kitties Jani Rose and Artie-Choke
Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121345
05/30/11 06:10 PM
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I just posted it on FB.


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121349
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Nice to hear. smile

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121350
05/30/11 06:26 PM
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KUDOS Pocket Pets! Thank you Mr. Klunder for stepping up on this one even though is wasn't your place to.


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121356
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Wow, go Pocket Pets! It is wonderful to see someone going above and beyond to do the right thing (especially since martins won't step up)! Good that somebody is worryin about these gliders and making sure they are taken care of smile

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121363
05/30/11 06:58 PM
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*sniffle* Purchased mine in December... frown Very nice though, great gesture.

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121373
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That is called concern for the animals and not the almighty $$-- too bad Martins did not step up.


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Flora :rtmo: and her huney Freddy :grey:

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121377
05/30/11 07:18 PM
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*sniffle* Purchased mine in December... Very nice though, great gesture.


Aimee, just talked to them, they said please email them at the email address above, they will help you out and take care of it for you.


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Teresa56] #1121378
05/30/11 07:19 PM
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LoL Aimee you're a month before and I'm in the month after though only by two weeks I missed it. Thankfully I have a great friend in you smile

I am curious to know if anyone else noticed the "grape jelly" smell from their Martin's cage?


Jenn
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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: jennVA] #1121379
05/30/11 07:21 PM
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Jenn, you contact them too....tell them I sent you.


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121380
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Originally Posted By: Srlb
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*sniffle* Purchased mine in December... Very nice though, great gesture.


Aimee, just talked to them, they said please email them at the email address above, they will help you out and take care of it for you.


Peggy...thank you so much.

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121383
05/30/11 07:49 PM
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That is wonderful news. (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets is doing a good job helping people out !!


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121394
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clap


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Mommy2Dexter] #1121395
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I just got news from (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets, although their cages only seem to have been affected from Jan-April20th, they have come to see through emails already that is not the case with Martins cages, so they have changed it to anyone who has purchased cage/wire from Martins from October of 2010 until April 20th, 2011 to please contact them.

Also, please keep in mind, they are truly trying to HELP so please keep this email to cases that are really looking for help. Thank you.


Peggy
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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121402
05/30/11 08:48 PM
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agree jump clap


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121420
05/30/11 09:48 PM
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Wow, I have to say I am truly impressed with (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: GliderGuy540] #1121431
05/30/11 10:41 PM
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A 'grape jelly' smell from Martin's cages? O.o I did notice a distinct odor on mine, but I'll have to go sniff it again and check. I initially associated it with a strong PVC-y smell.


~Laura~

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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121443
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Does this include the square travel cages? My vet gave me one as a gift this last March.


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121470
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tooo bad i got my cage from pointer hill.....same wire...oh well....i just got the dang thing a month ago dang it

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121498
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I got the original email about 2-3 weeks ago. So far I'm still waiting to see results. I'm not saying they won't, but I am coming close to the time frame they gave me. I have not received a phone call from them, but I am happy to see that they are caring about my girls. Especially, since this is far beyond what I would have expected. Thanks (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets!

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121501
05/31/11 12:54 AM
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Just realize that they are offering to send one of their "starter" cages, not the larger cages that most keep their gliders in (like the one's Aimee used).

I think it is very generous of PP to do this. And as Peggy posted, it will work as a temporary cage until a larger cage can be purchased.


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121515
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I too am impressed with them on this situation, but I still will not support or recommend them and will still work with the MBP in regards to them and all other mill breeders and brokers.

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121518
05/31/11 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: Srlb
I received a phone call today from PPP. They would like to extend a hand out to those who own or received Martins cages from January until April 20, 2011.


Is this only for people who purchased ready made cages? What about people who bought materials from Martin's to build cages? I personally built 5 cages, and I know there have to be other people in the same position as I am... having to replace more than cage at once.


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121520
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Can someone point me toward the thread where it was proved the problem was found to be with Martins?


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121524
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Diane,
The issue isn't JUST with Martin's cages. It's cages from (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets, Martin's AND homemade. The cages with issues are all pvc coated.

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Glider_Invasion] #1121608
05/31/11 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: Glider_Invasion
Can someone point me toward the thread where it was proved the problem was found to be with Martins?


There are several threads here regarding the cage/wire issue. Some are from the Martins customers whose babies are ill or have died. If you contact Martins they are advising you remove your gliders from the cages but they are not doing anything as of yet to correct anything for their customers.

Pocket Pets is offering a starter cage to those customers affected so that all the gliders can have a safe cage.

Many Martins customers have the large expensive glider cages from them so IF concrete evidence is found by labs Martins will them do something for their customers. No solid liability found, tough cookies.

So for now Thank you Pocket Pets for helping out even with other company's customers!

Martins your customer service leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth!


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: TheGliderPlayroom] #1121619
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Originally Posted By: TheGliderPlayroom
Originally Posted By: Srlb
I received a phone call today from PPP. They would like to extend a hand out to those who own or received Martins cages from January until April 20, 2011.


Is this only for people who purchased ready made cages? What about people who bought materials from Martin's to build cages? I personally built 5 cages, and I know there have to be other people in the same position as I am... having to replace more than cage at once.


Helen, if you finish reading you will see it is for anyone who purchased cages or wire from Martins between those dates. Do note though they are only replacing with starter cages just to help those get gliders out of cages with this wire.


Peggy
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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121696
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Do note though they are only replacing with starter cages just to help those get gliders out of cages with this wire.


it is also helping those that are currently using the pop up kennels aquariums etc.. that people are using for temporary housing.

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1121892
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Thank you Mr. Klunder for doing this for the good of the glider.


It may only be a starter cage to get the gliders out of the affected cages, but one the owners can afford a larger safe cage they then will have a nice hospital or travel cage.


Kimberley
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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1122048
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In hopes that THIS gets posted and not rejected as my last few.. I am asking for something I haven't been able to find. Maybe I am missing some threads.

I do realize there are many threads on who says what to whom. But I can't seem to find ANY proof that it is the cages. OR that the problem originated at/ is also from Martins or the wire. Only ones in the forums saying Klunder "SAYS" that is the case.

But,should any of us go on 'hear say'? Is there any proof?
The highly qualified vet,Dr Ryan, who is THE FIRST vet, who stood up and put the blame back on (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets gliders, (because all the gliders that came in sick,was from (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets), has not said 'anything' about cages.

Without "proof", why would anyone say that a snake has turned to a dove? And IF, this is the case, with 'proof', we ALL could say thank you for giving us you unwanted caged so you can sell even more mill bred gliders. But as yet, I for one have only seen the buck passed, but even that was expected.

*We complained because (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets sells the gliders out in the elements at Fairs, trade showa, etc.
Where did that get us?... They open up in Malls..but now - EVERYDAY!..Mo Money!

*We say his cages are way to small. 'No problem'...Joeys NEED a "joey cage',(according to THEIR ASGV site), so when joey gets 6 mos. old, just come back for your second cage for a mere $200.00. Again, Mo Money!

(Besides, now people have caught on to their joeys "needinto be in a small cage for a better pet and better bonding". WHAT else can he do with them but use them to make his scam last a little longer til his pyramid takes off)!

* Their gliders are wild, scared, bite when they try to get them out. NO PROBLEM! They sing them a lullaby, and now they are all quite and docile, (all those wild gliders of all ages together in one little cage, (until it wears off AT YOUR HOME! Gee under those conditions, in a strange mall with all those people and noise, even MY joeys would be scared. But 'NOW'(not in past 5 years) NOW the joeys are all "just sitting there!

* Wait for this shoe to drop. There will be 'MO MONEY', made here also!

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Now, with that being said, where is our proof? Or do we just go on gossip, and passing the buck?
WE have to have vet papers as proof, to prove what they are doing is wrong, joeys to young,undernourished,
untamed,sick, neurotic, parasitic, inbred.
But,(PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets needs NOT to prove their innocence?
Well, no problem here either. All I am saying is, IF they have changed their spots and GIVING UP money, I for one want proof. IF, (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets is "taking responsibility" and is NOT Mill Breeding "OR" NOT building a pyramid, THEN and only THEN, Will I for one give them big kudos! ...But the other shoe has not dropped! [/color]
So for Me and my babies - A snake is still a snake...and without PROOF, he is still a snake. And I sure do not crawl in bed with snakes! Gee, for some reason, by babies seem to hate snakes also.
BUT, this is JMO!


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1122127
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I really don't have the energy nor the time to go through all these threads and posts to give you the undeniable fact that al these gliders show improvement after immediately taking them out of the affected cages. That the cages are the ONLY common factor with these sick gliders.

There have been proven glider owners out there that have had their gliders showing the same symptoms with Martin's cages, homemade cages and the cages that (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets sells in all different parts of the country.


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1122142
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In hopes that THIS gets posted and not rejected as my last few.. I am asking for something I haven't been able to find. Maybe I am missing some threads.

I will address you since you won't start a new thread as requested...


I do realize there are many threads on who says what to whom. But I can't seem to find ANY proof that it is the cages.

How about it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that once removed from the cages the gliders that haven't been in them too long recovers, and those returned to the cages or didn't know, their gliders have died..
all of these gliders differ from breeders from here, other places different diets, different toys wheels etc..

it is what is called compelling circumstantial evidence

OR that the problem originated at/ is also from Martins or the wire.

then maybe you need to be reading all the posts instead of just the ones that include pp or klunder, you will find posts here from people that bought wire from Martins or bought their cages and guess what?? they don't have pp gliders

Only ones in the forums saying Klunder "SAYS" that is the case.

But,should any of us go on 'hear say'? Is there any proof?

no one is MAKING you listen, if you want to purchase the cages or cage wire .. go for it, run your own risks at least it would be an educated decision, you have already been told what MAY happen, no one is stopping you, heck you don't even have to buy a PP glider to find it out. in fact I am sure someone here who has lost their glider would be glad to sell you their cage, then you can decide for yourself.

The highly qualified vet,Dr Ryan, who is THE FIRST vet, who stood up and put the blame back on ((PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets) Perfect Pocket Pets gliders, (because all the gliders that came in sick,was from ((PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets) Perfect Pocket Pets), has not said 'anything' about cages.

That is only because at the time those gliders were from PP, once he got involved with the other vets across the country, I am sure he speaks a different tone.. the good thing is that now more and more is being seen by others as well..

Without "proof", why would anyone say that a snake has turned to a dove? And IF, this is the case, with 'proof', we ALL could say thank you for giving us you unwanted caged so you can sell even more mill bred gliders. But as yet, I for one have only seen the buck passed, but even that was expected.

your hatred must have messed up your ability to do some real math.. how much do you think he is making by paying for all the testing?
How much do you think he is making by replacing all of these cages?
How much do you really think he is making by replacing gliders?
How much do you think he is making by GIVING away temporary cages for those that bought martins cages or wire?
heck these were not even his gliders or cages. but as I said before, if all you have in your heart is hatred all you will see is the negativity


*We complained because ((PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets) Perfect Pocket Pets sells the gliders out in the elements at Fairs, trade showa, etc.
Where did that get us?... They open up in Malls..but now - EVERYDAY!..Mo Money!

*We say his cages are way to small. 'No problem'...Joeys NEED a "joey cage',(according to THEIR ASGV site), so when joey gets 6 mos. old, just come back for your second cage for a mere $200.00. Again, Mo Money!

no where does it say they have to buy the bigger cage from them, many have bought bigger cages from many sources

(Besides, now people have caught on to their joeys "needinto be in a small cage for a better pet and better bonding".

I am one of those people that have caught onto that that... I don;t know how long you have been out here or how long you have had gliders, but believe it or not, joey cages are not a new thing or a new fad, in fact it never has been uncommon for people to remove their joeys a week before they go off to their new home and place them in smaller cages to get them used to being away from mom.. but I guess you have been around long enough to know that no one can agree on a min cage size for gliders which is why there is no min cage size requirements with the usda yet..

and lets assume for 2 seconds he was all about the money, then why isn't he selling those cheapo parakeet cages he can get for 4 for 20.00?? boy he sure would make more money on people then.. no? he tries to sell them quality cages..

WHAT else can he do with them but use them to make his scam last a little longer til his pyramid takes off)!

* Their gliders are wild, scared, bite when they try to get them out. NO PROBLEM! They sing them a lullaby, and now they are all quite and docile, (all those wild gliders of all ages together in one little cage, (until it wears off AT YOUR HOME! Gee under those conditions, in a strange mall with all those people and noise, even MY joeys would be scared. But 'NOW'(not in past 5 years) NOW the joeys are all "just sitting there!

* Wait for this shoe to drop. There will be 'MO MONEY', made here also!

your joeys? do you sell them? oh my you making MO money, do you want your babies to go to good homes?

you want them in parakeet cages? no? then you must suggest they buy a cage well they are spending MO MONEY or you sell them one of your cages.. oh yeah even MO MONEY for you

you want them sleeping in a shoe box? no then you must suggest they buy a pouch oh wait a minute that means they must spend MO MONEY..

Of course you want them to have a wheel.. oops there goes MO MONEY from them

yes and they must have toys yep there they go spending MO MONEY


Now, with that being said, where is our proof? Or do we just go on gossip, and passing the buck?
WE have to have vet papers as proof, to prove what they are doing is wrong, joeys to young,undernourished,
untamed,sick, neurotic, parasitic, inbred.


Since you have all this proof, we all would love to see it, or is it because they requested it from you and you didn't have it.. do you have proof of all you are saying? In fact the millbreeder project would love you for life if you have it, they are struggling trying to get that proof

But,((PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets) Perfect Pocket Pets needs NOT to prove their innocence?
Well, no problem here either. All I am saying is, IF they have changed their spots and GIVING UP money, I for one want proof. IF, ((PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets) Perfect Pocket Pets is "taking responsibility" and is NOT Mill Breeding

This one is easy.. they don't breed gliders they sell them , that makes them a broker, not a mill breeder

"OR" NOT building a pyramid,

it is no more of a pyramid than any other person who sells things.. many vendors here sell products, and they have returning customers for various items.. is that a pyramid? I don't think so..

Suncoast gliders sells, gliders, cages, food, toys.. just as some of the people here do.. so where is your pyramid scheme
?




THEN and only THEN, Will I for one give them big kudos! ...But the other shoe has not dropped!


I don't think he cares whether you give him kudos or not, I know I surely don't.. but as I said before with all that hatred, you will NEVER see any good regardless how blatant it is.


So for Me and my babies - A snake is still a snake...and without PROOF, he is still a snake. And I sure do not crawl in bed with snakes! Gee, for some reason, by babies seem to hate snakes also.
BUT, this is JMO!

some of us here happen to like snakes.. in fact many of us own them, and some sleep in our rooms.. so I guess some of us literally do sleep with snakes..

you seem to have a serious aversion to them...

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1122160
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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Feather] #1122165
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x2 You said it perfectly Bourbon.

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1122182
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I still say it is a shame that PP (either Adam or Virgil) can't come here themselves.


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Dancing] #1122209
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Excellent Post Bourbon!!


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1122221
06/01/11 09:24 AM
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I loved your post Bourbon!


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1122271
06/01/11 11:20 AM
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I'll give (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets all the credit they deserve for stepping up to the plate with this cage issue. I don't think it's their responsibility, but at least they are doing something about it.

Now, if we could just get them to stop the impulse selling, the world would be a better place. smile


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1122353
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Quote:

Now, if we could just get them to stop the impulse selling, the world would be a better place.


there are a lot of very very happy impulse buyers right here on the board.

and lets see, what if I didn't like who you sold to or how many gliders you sold or even where you were selling?

you would tell me tough, get over it.. well since when are we the gods of the gliders. Education starts in the home.. in this case with the people that would be impulse buyers.. and you are doing that .. kudos to you.

maybe a rephrase of .. now if we could get the impulse buyers to stop buying...


but i still don't think it will make the world a better place. there are far too many people out there that is far worse than him, all the efforts haven't stopped the smaller ones like Mike Mcgraff or steve larkin.. but I guess a larger target is easier to throw jabs at and it does make it sound.. regardless of what he does, some people still will never be pleased..he isn't making changes to please you or anyone else, the changes he is making and the things he is doing .. is because HE feels it is the right thing to do.

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Bourbon] #1122357
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Originally Posted By: Bourbon
[quote].he isn't making changes to please you or anyone else, the changes he is making and the things he is doing .. is because HE feels it is the right thing to do.



Off topic, but...

What changes is he making?
I've asked and asked.. but no one can tell me. They just keep saying "changes have been/are being made".. but WHAT specifically?

The last time I saw them in the area, nothing had changed.


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1122360
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changes are in the works.. but maybe that isn't the word I wanted.. shall i say.. what he is doing and everything he does do, he does it with the gliders in mind. one of the things I hear people scream about is that he is only in this for the money "MO MONEY", he doesn't care about the gliders etc..

everything I have seen him involved in shows just the opposite, I listened when they talked, voiced my concerns,and they listened when we talked.. I still may not agree with everything, but I can't name 1 person in the online community that I do agree with everything they do. that is what makes us individuals, and not part of a borg.

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Bourbon] #1122367
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Originally Posted By: Bourbon
changes are in the works.. but maybe that isn't the word I wanted.. shall i say.. what he is doing and everything he does do, he does it with the gliders in mind. one of the things I hear people scream about is that he is only in this for the money "MO MONEY", he doesn't care about the gliders etc..

everything I have seen him involved in shows just the opposite, I listened when they talked, voiced my concerns,and they listened when we talked.. I still may not agree with everything, but I can't name 1 person in the online community that I do agree with everything they do. that is what makes us individuals, and not part of a borg.



The thing is, a great business man can talk the talk. He can make you think that he feels one way, when he doesn't.. Now, does he care about gliders? Maybe. But what he recommends sure isn't for the good of the glider.

He wants to recommend a pelleted diet -- fine.
He wants to recommend no pouches - fine.
I do not approve, and will recommend otherwise...
but, whatever.

My (main) issue..
the ill, and/or under-aged joeys.
I spoke to a woman as she cried, telling me the vet says her new glider from Pocket Pets was only 4 weeks of age, and extremely sick. That glider did not make it.
I saw the look of horror in a friends eyes when she was told that her new Pocket Pets gliders had a parasite.
I saw a woman crying that Pocket Pets wouldn't return her phone calls after her glider passed away.



For that,
I will never be in the Pocket Pets cheerleading squad.. and for the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would be.


This thing...
Replacing cages..
It's a great thing, no doubt,
but it doesn't right the wrongs.

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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1122371
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(PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets is STILL a mill broker,right? Or has that changed now?


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Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Srlb] #1122394
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Can we just stop this? We've ALL got our feelings and/or experiences with (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets. I get that. This, and several other threads, are about what's happening with the cage wire on the PVC coated cages. Whether (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets is a mill broker or breeder is irrelevant. What they do as far as business practices go, is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that these cages are dangerous for some reason and it's looking as if the cage wire is, in fact, to blame. This thread is about (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets offering to help gliders who would possibly otherwise not HAVE help because those with Martin's cages didn't GET the quick support we were hoping for. I don't like (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets any more than the next guy but that's not what this is about - I can put aside those feelings and say kudos to them for at least doing SOMETHING! So, let's not turn this around and make it a (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets bash thread...let's keep it for what it was originally intended.

Re: A Message From PPP regarding Martins Cages [Re: Bourbon] #1122454
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Bourbon - don't misunderstand me. I'm giving them the kudos they deserve. I'm extremely impressed that they are the ones paying for the testing. And to top that off, they are replacing Martin's cages too? Ya can't ask for more than that regarding the cage crisis, now can ya?


Originally Posted By: Bourbon

maybe a rephrase of .. now if we could get the impulse buyers to stop buying...


Touché - it's a double-edged sword isn't it?


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