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USDA #1154536
07/30/11 11:06 PM
07/30/11 11:06 PM
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I know for a license you have to have 3 breeding females.

My question is do you have to wait until the gliders are proven breeders or do they just count if you have them even if they have not produced yet?

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Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1154558
07/30/11 11:56 PM
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I believe it is more than 3 and it seem that every location reads the rules differently but you can get your license as soon as your 4 or more females are of breeding age if you wish to is my understanding.


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Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1154586
07/31/11 01:19 AM
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I think tracy is right, thats what I got from it when I was reading the guidelines. 'more than three females capable of breeding' wording may be off though, as far as I understand you dont even need a boy to require a license? correct me if I'm wrong, a little fuzzy on that part. no pun intended


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Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1154589
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If you don't intend to breed you don't need a license. When I talked to the lady at the USDA office when I originally requested an application she said she would suggest I don't apply until I have joeys almost ready to go. That way you don't pay out fees and have random inspections when there is no need.


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Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1154590
07/31/11 01:34 AM
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3 females capable of breeding means (in our area) three females with males with the intent to breed them. If you have a females with neutered males you do not need licensing, but if you put male and female 8 week old joeys together with the intent to breed them down the road, you need licensing.

Again, you need three females that fall within those guidelines. It's best to check with your region if you have questions though. Interpretation of the law is different everywhere. It's good to know what your own area requires.


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Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1154769
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thanks allie for posting that I was wondering what the licencing law was here in WI. Does any one know what it is in FL I am going to be moving there within the next year? please PM me with it.

Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1154995
07/31/11 11:51 PM
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If you have MORE than three BREEDING females and are SELLING the offspring, you need a license.

If you are not selling the offspring, it doesn't matter how many gliders you have.


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Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1155023
08/01/11 12:53 AM
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As mentioned above, the interpretation of the law differs. Some states won't even look at you twice until you are selling joeys, while other states will give licenses with fewer females. My inspector was happy to give me my license when I had 3 breeding females and 3 more young pairs that weren't even close to breeding. My inspector also counts females that are in the house towards the number, as hypothetically, I could decide to breed them or an accident could happen (not at MY house, lol).

And, I wanted to comment that the person who has ONLY females... they are not capable of breeding... in order to breed, a male must be present, so you can get around it since they wouldn't be technically able to breed (at your house).

The main purposes (that I see) of the USDA license is to tax breeders, and make sure that the animals are kept in appropriate situations (to try to prevent mill breeders).


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Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1155034
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Quote:
The main purposes (that I see) of the USDA license is to tax breeders, and make sure that the animals are kept in appropriate situations (to try to prevent mill breeders).


I agree, it is a way to tax breeders but as for trying to prevent mill breeders? NOPE. The mill breeders ARE USDA licensed. The USDA standards are so low they allow gliders to be kept in 1 foot cubes. The cage ONLY has to be large enough for the animal to stand up and turn around.

USDA License requirements

For a Class A breeder license. Class B license is for brokers.

Quote:
A dealer with a Class A license may conduct business involving:
[1.1]
C only animals that are bred and raised on his/her
premises in a closed or stable colony, and
C animals acquired for the sole purpose of maintaining or
enhancing the breeding colony

NOTE: Persons with 3 or less breeding females are
exempt.

selling of any wild/exotic animals, excluding hoofstock,
for:
< pets
< exhibition
< research


The law as written is BREEDING, not BREEDABLE. While different inspectors may wish to interpret it differently, ultimately they must follow the way it is written or get the "written" part changed. Until that happens, females have to be breeding to be counted.


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Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1155048
08/01/11 03:03 AM
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Are those USDA regulations just applicable for Kansas or any state? thanks.

Re: USDA [Re: eshaw] #1155061
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USDA is federal so any legal state. Some states it is illegal to even have gliders.

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Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1155087
08/01/11 09:44 AM
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United States Department of Agriculture. Federal agency. Federal laws.

Each state has their own laws as well. Some states such as Florida also requires you to have a permit (or license or some such) if you are breeding/selling.


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Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1156934
08/04/11 07:10 PM
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From my understanding, if there are more than 3 females in your home now either breeding or you are holding in the attempt to breed, you need a USDA license. That is Federal.

You also need to check your local laws as well.

Here in Iowa, even if you have only one female breeding, they require you have a state license which costs $175 per year. They also count, dogs, cats, hamsters and anything else that may be breeding in your home. Not just one species.


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Re: USDA [Re: dizzyblue] #1157058
08/05/11 01:24 AM
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i only have two females at this moment but i want to be ready


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