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What can go wrong...
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02/14/13 12:25 AM
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GliderNursery
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Thought I'd share with you my most recent breeding issue with a new breeding pair of gliders. We always talk about the potential for rejection, but not much about the potential of over grooming or what happens if a joey sustains an injury. My first cremino and mosaic joeys out of Whisky & Guinness came OOP 2/2/13. Tonka is the male cremino, and Tara is the female RT mosaic. The creamino came OOP and the same day incurred some type of injury that caused the parent(s) to amputate his back right foot. I consulted with several other breeders as well as my veterinarian about this. The skin should heal over the end of the leg, and he should be just fine. We do know that this isn't genetic, as the trauma was observed. Since this occurred when he was so young, I'm confident that he will not even know he is different, and I don't consider him as being a "special needs" glider. Additionally, they over groomed the tip of the tail off of the little girl. Both issues occurred once the joeys were OOP. This is a set of first time parents, and both are a bit "nervous". Both parents are doing a great job with them. Mom was over a year old before she was put with a younger mate. I'm taking this as an isolated situation and will allow the parents to continue to breed. Obviously if this becomes a recurring problem, different actions will take place. But, I've had a nice little heart to heart with them and explained that this is unacceptable parental behavior, and I think they understand. Anyway, both joeys are doing great and are gaining weight nicely. And I'm excited to watch them mature. Foot injury: Tonka: Over groomed tail: Tara:
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/14/13 12:47 AM
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SLHamil
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I always nibbled on my babies toes when they were born, too. They're just perfect :-)
~Shannon mommy to 2yo daughter, 5 yo son, 2.5 yo bunny, and a 1yo mutt :-) Proud owner of Grace, Cort, and Ari
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/14/13 01:07 PM
02/14/13 01:07 PM
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SugarCrazy
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They are beautiful little ones. I am looking forward to hearing about how well Tonka grows up with his missing foot. I agree with you that he will probably not have an issue since he is so young. Neither of them are "special needs" but I'm sure very special little ones none the less!!
Tracy Married to my best friend for 24 years We have 5 skin kids, 2 with spouses, 4 PERFECT GrandSkins Owned by 2 cats Playmate to 5 dogs Slave to 16 suggies + joeys now and then www.garlandfunnyfarm.weebly.com
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/14/13 08:29 PM
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aww, poor little babies! I'm sure he'll cope just fine with the injury, since he won't even remember it ever being different... but I still feel bad for the little guy. hopefully mom and dad will learn from their first parenting experiences and do better with their second set of joeys!
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02/14/13 08:37 PM
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Awwwww Tonka is so cute!!!!
Mommy to: Jeffery (8), Jaylin (6), Jaxon (3), Justin (1) Fur Mommy to: Scrappy (poodle), Lexi (yorkie), Jake (pom/yorkie), Charlie (Jaylin's guinea pig) Coming Soon: Lisa Bart
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/14/13 08:41 PM
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Tigerlily
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Thank you for sharing this Shelly, I think it is very important to remind ourselves that things can happen even under the best of circumstances. I hope all goes well with your little ones, please keep us posted on how they do
Jennifer Happily indentured servant to many precious sugar gliders, 3 mischievous dachshunds, 3 horses, and one very patient cat. www.tigerlilygliders.net
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02/15/13 12:34 PM
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Awe! Poor babies I'm sure they'll be fine though. Out of curiosity, what do you give a joey for pain in an instance like that with Tonka's foot?
Alyssa
"Moving on is a simple thing, what it leaves behind is hard."
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/15/13 07:23 PM
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I was advised against giving anything. I know, I know... that sounds extremely horrible, and trust me it bothered me a lot. As I was told, a younger animal is much more resilient than its adult counterparts. Anything topical would have been groomed off by the parents, risking further damage. And trying to get anything orally would have been near impossible to dose. I'm not sure if an injection would have worked or not dealing with such a small joey. With that being said, I know gliders hide things very well, but this joey has never acted any different than any other joey. Even when I held the leg to get pics, he didn't try to pull away as you would expect if it were in any type of pain. This is unfortunately a situation that I was advised would be in the joeys best interest to let nature take its course and see what happens. At this point, he's still doing great, nursing and gaining weight like you would expect, he's moving around a bit without any problems, and his eyes are now open. I will take some more pics and post soon.
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/15/13 07:24 PM
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BTW - if anyone knows of anything that could have/should have been done differently, please let me know. I will discuss that with the other breeders I have consulted with as well as my veterinarian. I posted this strictly for educational purposes, and that includes me too.
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/15/13 09:19 PM
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How is he going to groom himself w/out a foot? I would have him be a special needs glider b/c of this. But,I don't know what the minimum qualifications are to a special needs glider.
Larry & Josefine Vodenik 2014 4 St Perry,Iowa50220 515/321-6081cell# j.vodenik@hotmail.com
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02/15/13 11:55 PM
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Shelly, will you be keeping him? I'm glad to hear he's doing well This thread was a very interesting read, especially for a new breeder.
-~~~ Drea ~~~- <3 super ecstatic mama to: weebay (lil'boy) &&&& beeble (lil'girl) &&&& Tay-Bee (baby girl) <33333 Call or Text anytime for glider help - 570-850-2101 <3
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/16/13 12:12 AM
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Sweet As Suggies
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Thank you for sharing this. It's too bad about your little ones, but I have high hopes for both of them (especially tripod - good nickname ). It will be very interesting to watch his progress.
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/16/13 01:09 AM
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Drea, I'm honestly not sure yet. Guess you'll find out if he ends up in ClassifiedCENTRAL! Alicia, I almost named him Trippy, but thought that would be kind of mean. I think with such a rough start in life, he needed to be "Tonka Tuff". (Ok, showing my age right there! ) I'm happy to share this experience with everyone. I love to educate about as much as I love my gliders. As you go on with gliders, you soon realize that no matter how much you think you know, or how much experience you have, there's always more to learn! I will be taking more pics and possibly a video or two and posting them.
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/16/13 01:12 PM
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We had a cat along time ago,he was a stray we took in,w/only 3 legs,so we named him tri-pod.
Larry & Josefine Vodenik 2014 4 St Perry,Iowa50220 515/321-6081cell# j.vodenik@hotmail.com
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/19/13 02:42 AM
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Drea
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Yeah definitely keep us posted! For some reason I just adore this little boy.
-~~~ Drea ~~~- <3 super ecstatic mama to: weebay (lil'boy) &&&& beeble (lil'girl) &&&& Tay-Bee (baby girl) <33333 Call or Text anytime for glider help - 570-850-2101 <3
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02/19/13 11:48 AM
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He's adorable! If you need a good home for him, I'll happily volunteer!!!
Connie 812-890-9734, 24/7 Emergencies/Joey issues SmallWorldSuggies"The greater the challenge, the sweeter the reward" "Glide free Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/19/13 12:30 PM
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SLHamil
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I just want to kiss his little head!
~Shannon mommy to 2yo daughter, 5 yo son, 2.5 yo bunny, and a 1yo mutt :-) Proud owner of Grace, Cort, and Ari
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/19/13 03:16 PM
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yiyo
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He's adorable! If you need a good home for him, I'll happily volunteer!!! ditto
Alyssa
"Moving on is a simple thing, what it leaves behind is hard."
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/19/13 03:22 PM
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Shelly,
You just named him, his name is Tuff.
After Tonka Tuff or Tuff Hedeman the bull rider.
Kimberley Feathers-Sweetie, Mister Peanut & Big Mack Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Cho, Toothless, Maverick & Maharet T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon TY, TJ, Light Fury, Madison & T'Pring Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker, Khayman and the rest of my babies over the
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02/20/13 01:06 AM
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i am glad to hear he is doing well. cant help but think of stumpy as a name though for the little munchkin.
both joeys are adorable. somebody is going to get lucky.
regards, nancy in roseville (formerly detroit).
regards, nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
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Re: What can go wrong...
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02/28/13 02:49 PM
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SLHamil
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He's absolutely precious.
~Shannon mommy to 2yo daughter, 5 yo son, 2.5 yo bunny, and a 1yo mutt :-) Proud owner of Grace, Cort, and Ari
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