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toxic cages are still around, please read #1337733
04/10/13 06:38 PM
04/10/13 06:38 PM
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kristine lacoste is a managing editor at buzz editor, pets adviser. she wants to write an article abt. the bad pvc wire cages that killed and made our gliders sick. i have sent her some info and bobbi tindle's email was also passed along to her. she also was told abt. tessa lee freunds 2 gliders that have passed and 2 more are not doing very well now. klubertanz is still selling the bad wire from riverdale.

kristine has gotten the approval to proceed with this story and asks that you send the following to her email at:
kristine@petsadviser.com with this information:

1. name. 2. city/state. 3. number of sugar gliders sick or deceased/permanetly disabled. 4. dates of incidents. 5. experience with the cage wire. 6.name of manufacturer and seller. 7. any replies or resolutions reached from manufacturer or seller. 8.photographs, emails, necropsy reports if done, vet reports. 9. email address for replies and questions/phone number optional.

kristine asks that you email her by friday morning so she has time to contact the sellers and manufacturers and prepare the article.

regards,
nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)

p.s. again her email is: kristine@petsadviser.com


regards,
nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337782
04/10/13 10:35 PM
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That is just so not rite, I thought they got rid of the wire, or @ least they were using it for other purposes than cages for more animals.
Those $$ signs in their eyes must be pretty brite. Human greed is rampant & everywhere. So Sad


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Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337834
04/11/13 09:01 AM
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That's horrible! What's wrong with those people??


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Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337855
04/11/13 01:52 PM
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"What's wrong" is that unfortunately there has been no irrefutable proof that the wire was the "cause". With all of the testing that was done, the results were inconclusive.

Now don't scream at me yet! lol Proof enough should have been the poor health and death of these sugar gliders. In my mind, that was enough "proof" to stop selling the product for sugar gliders. They could have even put (and kept if there ever was one) a warning on their website about it to prevent others from buying it for use as glider cages.


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Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337856
04/11/13 01:53 PM
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Hopefully this article draws the needed attention and makes the public more aware of the hazard. Another thing people can do is leave a review on Sugar Glider Help for Klubertanz. (Please only leave a review based on your personal experience and not hearsay.)


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Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337882
04/11/13 03:36 PM
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tessa just lost her 3rd glider last night.

very distressing situation with this company,knowing that
the wire is bad for sugar gliders but does not state this fact, even when glider people ask if it is safe for gliders.

diane did mention that the wire should be tested for a certain type of chemical but am going to come back after i write down what it is.

regards,
nancy in roseville


regards,
nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337885
04/11/13 04:07 PM
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diane robertson stated that toxicology testing on these bad wire cages should be tested and looked for organo-tin pesticide as the curing agent. regular toxicology tests will not pick this up.

anybody that is being affected with this cage problem now should have this test done, maybe it will prove that this
wire is the reason our gliders have died in the past and still dying. our vets know it is from bad wire, my own vet has seen this with birds and used the right combination of meds/flushing to save my 3 gliders that were young at the time.

regards,
nancy in roseville


regards,
nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337898
04/11/13 06:24 PM
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I hope that someone finds the proof they are looking for rather than just more sick and dying gliders. frown


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Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337900
04/11/13 06:27 PM
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Where can we get the wire tested for this chemical?


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Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337902
04/11/13 06:46 PM
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I was going to buy wire for cage at Klubertanz. This was in January. When I asked the guy where they buy their wire cages and asked if its safe for sugar gliders. As soon as he found out it was for SG, he then told me not to buy their wire and look for something else. He even said some SG owners are buying powder coated wires now. Im so glad I listened to him.


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Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337903
04/11/13 06:58 PM
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What is the best material? I have been looking for a bigger cage and just about every cage I find is powder coated.


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Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337926
04/11/13 08:49 PM
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There is a wire out there that is powder coated. I am not sure where to get it.


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Re: toxic cages are still around, please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1337930
04/11/13 09:12 PM
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i would imagine you would ask your vet. where you can get the cage tested at. tessa is going thru her vet to have these tests done but i dont know if they are sending it out.

pvc cages and wire from klubertanz are the problems.

powder cages have had no issues that i have ever read and
this is all i use. i get my cages at suncoast, they have their cages go thru extra testing and are all powder coated.

suncoast cages dont rust and the finish stays on. my oldest is close to 6 yrs. now and looks brand new.

regards,
nancy in roseville


regards,
nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)

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