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Sacer has cavities #1018684
10/17/10 08:24 PM
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Who has experience with gliders with cavities and how do you handle that? What can I do to help Sacers mouth pain and make him want to eat? Im 100% sure thats why he's not wanting to eat and thats why he's lost the weight and getting dehydrated. I thought it was his body not wanting to eat because he's so old but really, he has so many cavities its no wonder. His eyes are bright and he IS full of life, he runs in his wheel. He just seems that his body is healthy and its his teeth causing the problems. Further, Ive seen that me syringe feeding him is tearing up his gums. They look terrible and it hurts me so much to know Im trying my best to help him but Im hurting him. I dont know what to do anymore. It feels horrible and helpless. How can I help this cavity problem?

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1018688
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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1018697
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If the vet has x-rayed and determined that the cavities are extensive, then I'm confused as to why the teeth were not pulled?
If this has not yet been done, it needs to be.

Gliders do great once their periodontal issues are cleared up. If this is a chronic problem, you may loose many teeth, but it is better than having a glider in pain.

vet visit is necessary. It should include:
x-rays
removal of any significantly affected teeth
pain medication
antibiotics
oral rinse
Cleaning of remaining teeth.

The tartar has to be removed. The pain has to be managed.
The affected teeth have to be dealt with.

Once all of that is done, the glider should live a normal life with no modifications except a puree diet (if necessary).

I have several gliders with recurrent periodontal problems - one of them only has 7 teeth remaining and you would never know it to look at him. Best of luck to you and your baby. I hope to see you share this experience on the Sweet Spot's dental forum so that others can learn from your experience.


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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1018728
10/17/10 10:01 PM
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What are the age of the gliders that have been put through this process of removing teeth?

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1018756
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Kim, I'm so glad you think you found the problem! How do you know it's from cavities? I would never know how to look for this. Thanks for the info...


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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1018820
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I agree Sari, I am still feeling sorry for Sacer, but I am so glad Kim found the issue. This means hope. hug2


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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1018852
10/18/10 05:13 AM
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I can see the black on his teeth. That is definitely cavities. I guess thats what happens after 12 years of not brushing teeth. Teeth are going to decay. I wish I realized that about ohh 10 years ago. Id have made more effort to maybe clean his teeth? I can also see the damage I did to his gums by syringe feeding him, they are all cut up. I dont know if I want to pull his teeth at 12 years old. That is a lot to put an old man through. Or if there is even any vet near me that is qualified to touch my boy in such a way. Thats very invasive and if there is no vet in my area that can prove to me they know what they are doing then I wont even let them touch him. I dont know what to do right now and my heart is completely broken over this.

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1018882
10/18/10 08:26 AM
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Kim if the teeth are bad they need to come out. If they stay in they could get infected which could lead to more health issues. I know how scary it is to put an old guy through surgery and I wouldn't recommend it unless it was necessary. However having delt with numerous peridontal issues of my own I can tell you they won't get better on their own and simply brushing won't help at this point. An x-ray would be a definate asset as it would let you see what was happening below the gum line, and can tell you how extensive the problem is. I do know with my gliders who have had teeth removed that it is not a real extensive or invasive surgery (depending on the number of teeth involved) and they come out of the anestetic very quickly.

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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: glidrz5] #1019265
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if u can travel to dr tristan it would be worth it as he is the best glider vet he did a speech at the sgga twice now i would go to him if it were me. even though he is a 4 day trip from me

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1019271
10/18/10 11:39 PM
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I am thinking this over. I need to get my facts together about what Im going to do and make some calls. I too will need an xray and someone who knows how to treat a sugar glider in my area. I already went to the one vet on the vet list for Knoxville. Shes closed for a bit right now. I also know older guys dont heal as fast as young ones. You cant even imagine the stress Im under.. well, probably you can. Its really hard.

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1019273
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Where is he?

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1019356
10/19/10 03:18 AM
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Dr. Tristan is in Corpus Cristi, Texas. South coastal Texas, even. Not close by a long shot Kim. But he is THE best glider vet, in the US as far as a lot of folks are concerned. Here's his link in the database...

http://www.sugargliderhelp.com/links/pages/Detailed/24.html

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1019382
10/19/10 05:10 AM
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Ya theres no way Ill be getting to Texas anytime soon. I wish I could.

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1019395
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What about possibly RR'ing him to Mary in TX? I know it would be stressful on him but he's super stressed now with that infection in his system.

His health is to the point where it's majorly affecting his quality of life. It's a hard decision.....possibly risk his life by pulling the teeth and/or RR'ing him or having him live with bad teeth and the pain/infection they cause, until the infection causes him to become septic. A vet needs to at least get him on antibiotics and pain meds, until you can make a decision.

You can also go to another vet from the list, instead of waiting for yours to open back up, and have them do a phone consult with other very experienced glider vets. Here are their numbers for your vet to call.

Dr. Tim Tristan
OSO Creek Animal Hospital
361-994-1145

Dr. Bradley Walsh
Village vet Animal Clinic/All Creatures Veterinary Hospital
Dr. Walsh's number is
918-258-0040

Dr. Andrew Grzanowski
Canton Center Animal Hospital
734-459-1400

Dr. Kate Zimmerman
TriCounty Animal Hospital
(has 24hr emergency contact info on her office answering machine)
423-391-0303

Dr. Teresa Bradley
Belton Animal Clinic
816-331-3120

Dr. Kristen West
Mandel Veterinary Hospital
216-321-6040

Wishing you the best of luck and sending many prayers your way!


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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1019414
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Kim - I have treated many gliders over 10 years old. They do not tend to heal slower. They do just fine. I have even neutered males as old as 9 years.

You really need to get this guy in to a vet - preferably one that has dealt with periodontal issues in gliders or will consult with one who has. Don't allow your stress and worry to delay this little one getting treatment. He will be fine. With you loving on him afterward, how could he not?


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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: suggiemom1980] #1019747
10/19/10 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: suggiemom_1980
What about possibly RR'ing him to Mary in TX? I know it would be stressful on him but he's super stressed now with that infection in his system.


No, I am not going to RR him. If he died and he died away from me, I would absolutely NOT be ok with that. I would regret that for the rest of my life. In the end, I am the one that has to look into his eyes and accept what I put him through. I am not going to cause him that kind of stress. Not at his age and not in his condition. I have to look into his eyes everyday when I feed him and ..no. There is only 1 person I know that I would be ok if he died with. Thats Bourbon. She was around when he was just a little guy and he took right to her and Nikki. That was 11 years ago. Anyone else, I cant do it.

Originally Posted By: suggiemom_1980
His health is to the point where it's majorly affecting his quality of life. It's a hard decision.


Yeah, Im dealing with a lot of hard decisions right now. I had a tooth that cracked in May. In June I could afford to see a dentist. I dont have insurance and they told me first I had to get my wisdom teeth pulled which I had to save up $1200 for. Then after that I could get my cracked tooth fixed. I had a bad infection in the cracked tooth and I was on antibiotics for til I saved the money to fix it. I need a root canal and a crown and that will cost me $1600. Just this month I had finally reached the money to get my dental work done. Then Sacer needed to go to the vet. That blew that opportunity. Ive been getting sick like crazy because my immune system is so weak fighting this tooth infection that keeps coming back. Im on antibiotics yet again because I was so sick I missed days at work which hurt my paycheck. I was in so much pain I couldnt think straight with the infection in my jaw. I work in a mall which puts me in contact with hundreds of people in a day, everyday. I catch everything that comes at me. So now my tooth is scheduled for next month after I get paid.. but now I have Sacers teeth to worry about. And his life. And if I decide I will pull his teeth and put him through that, what vet here would I be able to trust? There is 1 vet in the vet list for Knoxville. Already been to her. Im not made of money and I cant travel all over the place. Last month I took money out of my saved money for MY tooth to fix to take him to the vet because he needed to go.

Yeah, I have a lot of hard decisions. There is a lot more going on than I post here. I only post here what I need to, to gather facts to make the decisions I feel are best. Will I make the best decision every time? Maybe not but I try my best. Im overwhelmed right now with physical and emotional pain so Im doing the best I can.

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1019789
10/19/10 10:19 PM
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hug2 I'm sorry things are so bad right now Kim. Just go with your gut, and do what you can. There is no more. hug2

I hope Sacer is doing better today.
I see no reason why you can't bring him to the current vet, and ask if they will take phone advise from another well versed vet that can help if there are issues. agree


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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1019806
10/19/10 10:41 PM
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The vet he went to, the only one listed for Knoxville, is closed right now. She is moving her clinic. Everything is boxed up and she will be closed for a bit. I definitely dont want her doing any dental work on him.

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iknow there are glider knowledgeable vets in surrounding cities like nc florida maybe you can go to one there

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1020326
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How is Sacer doing?


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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1020336
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He's ok, he is maintaining how he's been. I spoke with Chris and also with Bourbon and now have a plan to help Sacer. Sacer is going to go stay with Bourbon and see her vet. He's going to be on baytril and also pain meds. If being on pain meds helps his appetite come back to where he eats on his own, then the problem most likely is his teeth and not something else going on. In that case, I can look into pulling any teeth that need to come out. Meanwhile Bourbons vet can have a good look at his teeth and see if what I see really is cavities or not, and what Im looking at. Im going to be on vacation in Florida for a couple days next week and Ive been stressing over this for awhile. I had these plans made before Sacer started having problems and now I feel some relief. Bourbons going to hold onto him for awhile and take care of him and that should help my stress level. Im going to miss him terribly but its for the best for him. Ill be all that much happier to have him back when I do get him.

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Awe, Kim. hug2 I think that Sacer will benefit from this decision, and it will give you a much needed break. How wonderful for a community to care so much about each other.

I hope you will be able to relax a bit, it will still be very hard if Sacer is not with you. Thinking of you!


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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1020344
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hug2 Kim, I think this is a good choice. Bourbon is a phenominal woman and with her, Sacer will be over spoiled and get lots of rubs. heart

Speaking of which, I need to call her... I haven't talked to her in a long time! blush


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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1020523
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I feel bad to put him through that stress of leaving his environment to go into a totally different environment but I guess its the best thing for him. Its not safe to leave him home while Im gone on my trip so if hes going to Bourbon for a couple days, he might as well stay longer and have her fix him up. I will miss him so much. Ive had a sugar glider by my side for the past 14 years and never been away from them. It should help my stress to go down tho because I know hes in the best hands and it will give me a break from the constant feedings and scheduling everything I do around his needs for a little while.

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1020532
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Bourbon is the glider whisperer! She will take excellent care of Sacer! You made a wonderful choice, both for Sacer and for yourself. I'm sure he's sensed your stress and anxiety.

Sending lots of prayers your way!


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Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: suggiemom1980] #1020557
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he is in the ultimate care with bourbon she is the glider expert and i dont think he will stress with all the knowledgeable attention he will get from her. he couldnt be with anyone better.

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1020583
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Awww Kim...I know it's bittersweet for you. But he'll be in wonderful hands and will take a weight off your shoulders for a bit. This is needed by both of you, I think. Thinking of you!!

Re: Sacer has cavities [Re: ] #1021727
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Bourbon is here, she looked at Sacer and he doesnt have cavities. It was most likely debris stuck in his teeth, up against his gums. He is fine, but he has an unusual arch in the wide portion of his back. She was massaging it out of his back and the control of his leg is coming back. I dont remember if I posted about him losing control and dragging his leg. Bourbon is sure she has it figured out and she will be taking him home today and he will see her vet. My stress is feeling so much better already. I havent seen Bourbon in about 11 years so it feels great.

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Glad to see that Sacer is doing better....hope the TLC continues to help.

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How wonderful! I am so glad Bourbon is there for you Kim. hug2


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