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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: Dancing] #1072450
02/16/11 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
The pouch is a cavity that has an opening. It is warm and moist. Any such type thing is vunerable to bacteria getting in and growing.

Teresa, the vet is giving her Baytril and Meloxicam. He said the Meloxicam will provide pain relief, similar to advil in humans. I did a quick search and only found the anti-inflammatory properties. Do you know about this med?


Connie

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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072451
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Teresa,
Thanks. I knew this much. I just thought MAYBE there were more reasons. tounge

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072454
02/16/11 01:37 AM
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I am on Meloxicam...it's the generic form of Mobic...I take the drug for Rheumatoid Arthritis...I've been on it for about 6-7 years now...I have to say, while it IS an anti-inflammatory and does help with inflammation or swelling in my joints, it does NOT help with actual pain...it's not a pain medication, it's just meant to bring down swelling, which I guess indirectly could bring down pain, but I usually take SEPARATE pain medication....Meloxicam is in a group of medications called NSAIDS...Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammtory Drugs.....


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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072455
02/16/11 01:37 AM
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Meloxicam is Metacam (Metacam is the brand name used by vets)

Right now, she does need both antibiotics AND an anti-inflamitory pain med. It should NOT be used more than three days normally due to risk to the liver. With the swelling as severe as this glider's though, it might be worth the risk of using it up to 5 days but that has to be the owner's decision.

If the swelling goes down in the next three days, I would switch to Torb for pain management.


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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: Dancing] #1072458
02/16/11 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
Meloxicam is Metacam (Metacam is the brand name used by vets)

Right now, she does need both antibiotics AND an anti-inflamitory pain med. It should NOT be used more than three days normally due to risk to the liver. With the swelling as severe as this glider's though, it might be worth the risk of using it up to 5 days but that has to be the owner's decision.

If the swelling goes down in the next three days, I would switch to Torb for pain management.

Thank you for clearing that up! That makes more sense. I'm hoping she can go to her regular vet for follow-up care!


Connie

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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072462
02/16/11 02:00 AM
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The human form is Mobic, lol sorry should have clarified that...I knew it was Metacam, but I'm so used to calling it Mobic that I forgot...sorry!


Jess

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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072465
02/16/11 02:10 AM
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Shannon, I'm sooooo proud of you for getting your suggie to the vet!!! I know how hard this was for you but you made it happen! Kudos to you, lady! You're an awesome suggie mom!!!


Connie

812-890-9734, 24/7 Emergencies/Joey issues

SmallWorldSuggies

"The greater the challenge, the sweeter the reward"

"Glide free :rbridge: Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."
Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072472
02/16/11 02:22 AM
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I could cry I'm so happy right now....you did the right thing, and your baby is going to get better because of it...update us when you can and give your little one kisses from all of us!


Jess

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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072476
02/16/11 02:38 AM
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Home from the vet...She has been givin her meds, lots of love and treats from mommy and is set up in her hospital cage next to her sister. They are so sad to be seperated. Coco is so mad at me and actually tried to bite me when I went in to say hi to her.

I will be getting up every 2 hours or so to make sure she is out and eating and drinking. I am hoping with the meds and being away from her sister (who grooms her constantly) that she will get better without an e-collar but I will be keeping a VERY close eye on her.

I was so nervous tonight and in tears when I saw the extent of her infection. The vet did not seem to worried about it tho and just kinda acted like yup here is some meds and no pain killers or e-collar. I am still shocked by this. I will keep everyone updated on her progress tho.

Thank you all for your help tonight and a VERY BIG THANK YOU to Aimee (dcmuffin) and Connie!! They were both there for me very quickly and Aimee actually went to the emergency vet with me so I would not have to go alone!

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072482
02/16/11 02:42 AM
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Thank you for acting so quickly with her. It can be very hard to keep calm when you know your little one is in trouble or ill.

The metacam (meloxicam) will help with the pain some and will help with the swelling. I would follow up with your regular daytime vet in a couple of days and ask for some torb. She may or may not need it but you would rather have it and not need it than the other way around.

Here's hoping she has a speedy recovery! Good job taking care of her.

Oh, you can probably let her and her sister have supervised visits with each other. Just don't let her sister groom her pouch area.


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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072484
02/16/11 02:45 AM
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Ok so what about the one med she is on..it says to give both the meds they gave me for the next 10 days. Is that going to hurt her?

Yeah I plan on letting them do tent time together tomorrow. What about bra wearing them during the day...does anyone think that would not be a good idea?

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072488
02/16/11 02:51 AM
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The metacam (meloxicam) can cause liver issues with gliders. It is generally suggested not to give to a glider for more than 3 days. But your glider has very serious inflamation going on with this infection and the med should help with that.

It is impossible for us to tell you NOT to use it for the 10 days as we are not vets and she is not our glider. I personally would not give it more than 5 days at the most. With the baytril (the antibiotic) you should start seeing signs of improvement in a few days and you'll be more able to make the decision about the other med. Again, it has to be your choice. Talk to your vet about the potential for side effects (to the liver and kidneys).


620-704-9109
Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.

I could have missed the pain
But I'd of had to miss the dance


The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.
Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072489
02/16/11 02:53 AM
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Ok I will be putting a call into my regular vet in the morning to ask him all these questions. Thanks again everyone. Gonna go try and get some sleep. My human children wake up very early lol

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072490
02/16/11 02:54 AM
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If it were me, I would not give the meloxicam for more than 5 days max, and that is only because of how severe this infection is. As Teresa mentioned earlier, it will help with the swelling, but there should be a major difference after being on antibiotics for 2-3 days. I also agree about going to your regular vet and asking for some torb. I'd think you could take the vet records from tonight to your vet, to get the torb, without having to bring her in.

The bra wearing will probably comfort her. She's sick and will want/need her mommy!


Connie

812-890-9734, 24/7 Emergencies/Joey issues

SmallWorldSuggies

"The greater the challenge, the sweeter the reward"

"Glide free :rbridge: Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."
Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072492
02/16/11 02:59 AM
02/16/11 02:59 AM

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I meant like bra wearing them together...would that be ok to do?

Yeah I will ask my vet about that tomorrow to! Thank you so much for your help tonight Connie!

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072498
02/16/11 03:12 AM
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Hey Shannon, thank you so much for updating! You are a WONDERFUL glider mommy smile. There are SO many on here who tell us their babies are sick, we tell them a vet is absolutely needed, and then they give every excuse under the sun why they can't take them to the vet or just flat out say no....CONGRATS TO YOU for being a responsible, loving mommy and making sure your baby is well taken care of!

If you ANYTHING at all, I am up til all hours with my two, and even when I go to bed, I have my phone on my bed with me, so call (570) 840-0192 even if it's just to run something by me to make yourself feel better.

I wish your baby a speedy recovery...and I agree, supervised visits are a great idea!

Last edited by angelic4296; 02/16/11 03:14 AM.

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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072565
02/16/11 09:45 AM
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Anxious to hear how little Skittles is doing this morning.

Shannon...like I said last night (this morning??? LOL), give Dr. Medlin or Dr. Stahl a call this morning and tell them what the doc told us last night and about the course of treatment. I was looking back in my records and the Metacam they prescribed for Bandit after his neuter was 3-5 days, just as everyone is telling you. I agree that they should give her some pain meds and not to use the Metacam for more than that period of time.

I know you're with the kids during the day so let me know if they want to see her and I'll help you out. smile

You did GREAT last night!!!!! hug2

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072573
02/16/11 10:21 AM
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Wow that is horrible looking. My little girl that is getting over one did not look that bad at all!


Nicole

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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072581
02/16/11 10:50 AM
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Skittles seems to be doing better this morning. Her pouch already seems like it is starting to go down. She ate all her blended last night but did not touch her fruits or veggies. I tried to give her some fruit this morning but she wouldn't take it. She took her meds good tho and took some mealies and some water. I will be keeping her on me all day to make sure she is leaving her pouch alone!

It was very hard to get my husband to let me take her. I had to borrow money from my brother and my husband was still upset that I did that. He does not care for them like I do obviously. But I am glad that I just went with my gut instinct and went even tho he was mad at me for going.

It's so hard to deal with him and explain why she had to be seen. If he had his way he would have just left her to suffer. frown

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072588
02/16/11 11:04 AM
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Shannon,
Let me just say how proud I am of you! You did what a loving, responsible, compassionate mommy would do - you took your baby to a vet to get the treatment she needed even though it caused friction with your husband (which I'm very sorry to hear). You borrowed money from your brother (what a great brother you must have!), which is great that he was available to help you out financially. I know it must have been difficult to not see eye-to-eye with your husband, but you were 100% right to follow your gut and get her to a vet....she has YOU now to thank for feeling much better! Your bond with her will only be stronger because of it. Congrats on getting your little one well and we're all here to support you throughout this time smile.


Jess

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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072592
02/16/11 11:21 AM
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Thank you! I can already tell that she is thanking me lol she wants to be with me at all times right now. I put her in her pouch to give her her meds and she kept climbing out and climbing on me to get into my shirt lol. She is definitely my very sweet baby and even the vet last night could not believe how sweet she was!

I called her regular vet and they are calling the er to have the records from last night faxed over to them and are going to look over the meds and give me a call back and schedule a re check for me. My dad is going to lend me for that thankfully. I go to do my taxes tonight and will be able to pay my brother and my dad back when my money comes in.

I am so glad that they were able to help me through this bc if not I may have been at pawn shops all morning trying to get money somehow. Lol. But seriously I would do anything to make sure she is well cared for.

My husbands way of thinking is he would do ANYTHING for our human children but when it comes to the animals they are the last I the money expense line and if we don't have it we just can't do anything about it.

But if I have my way from now on I will be putting 20 dollars every week into an account for them cause I will not go through the heartache that I was feeling last night. Even if I have to ask him to just give me 20 dollars for the kids each week and then I put it away for the gliders!

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072668
02/16/11 03:20 PM
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Shannon that's a great idea! It may seem like a small amount, $20, but if you're faithful about it, you'd be surprised just how quickly it'll add up! Plus, alot of vets will be totally willing to work with you on a payment schedule and if your vet knows that you're putting money away on a regular basis, he or she I bet will be very flexible in letting you pay as you go....PLEASE keep us regularly updated, you and your baby are in my thoughts and I'm hoping everything goes smoothly for you!


Jess

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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072691
02/16/11 04:13 PM
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Update: Just got off the phone with my regular vet. I had emailed him the pics and he said that she is definitely inflamed and it looks to be a bacterial pouch infection. Said that he agrees with the baytril for the full 10 days and that the meloxicam he only wants me to give it for 5-7 days max. Said to send him pics on the 5th day and he would let me know if he wanted me to continue on to the 7th day or not. But said DEFINITELY not 10. So I am happy with his answer on that. I will be going in for a recheck with him in 10 days and he is going to continue to check in with me on her progress. They are so nice there! I am so glad Aimee referred me to her vet when I first got my monkeys.

Skittles has done great today. She is drinking and taking treats. Her and her sister are sleeping peacefully in my bra right now. Neither is trying to groom at all. It will be sad and break my heart when I have to separate them again tonight. They both just sit there staring at each other. frown

But we are on the path to recovery and my heart could not be more fulfilled right now knowing that I am doing and going to do everything I can for my babies!

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072698
02/16/11 04:18 PM
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Yes! THIS is the news I was hoping to hear from Dr. Medlin (I'm assuming it was him that called you back). Yayyyyy!!!!!!! jump

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072702
02/16/11 04:23 PM
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It sure was he is such a nice, awesome guy!!

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072707
02/16/11 04:27 PM
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Yep...he really is. He makes it very apparent that he cares so much! I'm so happy for little Skittles...I've been thinking about her and will continue to do so. Keep me posted through the evening and let me know how things go. Keep those girls together as long as you can provided there's no grooming going on! hug2 to them!!!!

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072708
02/16/11 04:28 PM
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It sounds wonderful! Yea for you getting your girl the help she needs and for following through with it (double checking about meds and such). I'm thrilled for your girls!


620-704-9109
Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.

I could have missed the pain
But I'd of had to miss the dance


The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.
Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072712
02/16/11 04:32 PM
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Hey Guys...off topic, but for future reference, what vet hospital are you referring to? I am unhappy with the vet I found near me (columbia veterinary associates, I think) and you guys seem to love this one.


Britt

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Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: ] #1072717
02/16/11 04:36 PM
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Stahl Exotics (www.seavs.com) - they're located in Fairfax, VA. Dr. Stahl and Dr. Medlin are BOTH wonderful, as is the rest of the staff.

Re: Possible pouch infection...Please help [Re: DCMuffin] #1072719
02/16/11 04:38 PM
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Less than an hour away! Thanks, I'll keep that in mind smile


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