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Update on our 2 week OOP malnurished wee-one... #108722
06/08/06 05:00 PM
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We started supplement feeding him last night and I think his belly was finally full this morning. We are beginning at 4 hours or so in between feedings, and will watch his weight and see if he gains anything. We are hoping he is on the road to recovery. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> Even though his parents seem a bit distracted, they don't seem to be fully rejecting him. Mom and Dad are still cleaning and keeping him warm. (Most of the time--we caught them both out playing last night while he was in the pouch, we solved that by turning on the light. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> HA!) We are consistently checking on the Joey, and he always seems to have his head in Mama’s pouch, so we are coming to the conclusion that he is not necessarily getting rejected, she just isn't producing enough milk. I have been doing a lot of behavior research today, and found out that it might have to do with stress, (of course), but also mating. I did catch the two of them mating about 4 days ago,( I guess our boy heard the word neuter, and decided to make the best of the time he had left <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />)… and the timing is consistent with the beginning of our Joey’s downward slide. Could this have slowed her milk production? Is protein the only thing that can help to increase the milk production? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/needhug.gif" alt="" />


<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />By the way, I want to thank everyone that has been so helpful with our many questions. This is our first and (we thought, until about 4 nights ago) only baby, and everyone has been so great! We truly appreciate it!
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Re: Update on our 2 week OOP malnurished wee-one... [Re: ] #108723
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You can put some vanilla Ensure in a little feeder in there for her (and daddy too cause he'll want some). So happy to hear your little one is doing better! Keep up the great work <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie
Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.

Spread your wings and glide free of pain,
Until the day I see you again.

God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.
Re: Update on our 2 week OOP malnurished wee-one... [Re: ] #108724
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I am so glad the joey is better. I would not recommend feeding a joey Ensure. It is too rich to digest. I would suggest giving a milk that is formulated for their age group. Marsupials have the ability to release different types of milk according to the age of the joeys. That is why Marsupial powders are made in different stages of growth. A Marsupial can feed a neonate and a two week old at the same time even though they require two types of milk. Her body knows when to provide these different types of milk. Because of the delecacy of this, just feeding Ensure may not be healthy for the newborn because of their immature digestive tracks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Update on our 2 week OOP malnurished wee-one... [Re: ] #108725
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thanks for the update <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: Update on our 2 week OOP malnurished wee-one.. [Re: ] #108726
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I did catch the two of them mating about 4 days ago,( I guess our boy heard the word neuter, and decided to make the best of the time he had left )… and the timing is consistent with the beginning of our Joey’s downward slide. Could this have slowed her milk production? Is protein the only thing that can help to increase the milk production?

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[:"green"]I don't think that mating will slow milk production. If it did, there would be a major problem in the breeding cycle of gliders in general, because most captive gliders tend to mate within 2-3 weeks of joeys coming oop.
To increase milk production, you really need to increase the full diet of the mother, not just the protein. Yes, it is important to make sure the mother is getting at least 33% protein in her diet, but she also needs to get a full, balanced diet, but more of it than when not nursing...
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Re: Update on our 2 week OOP malnurished wee-one.. [Re: ] #108727
06/13/06 12:03 PM
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Actually a couple of things can happen in mating. One, the mother sometimes cannot get out to eat which decreases her food supply and milk supply. Whenever I see a mother with wee ones being bred, I feed her down in the pouch while mating for this reason. I have also heard, but not founded that the taste of the milk is a little different when she is in heat. I don't know if that part is true.


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Re: Update on our 2 week OOP malnurished wee-one.. [Re: ] #108728
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Oh gosh! I didn't mean to give the ensure to the joey! I meant to give it to the momma and extra cause daddy would probably want some too.


Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul.
My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie
Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.

Spread your wings and glide free of pain,
Until the day I see you again.

God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.

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