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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/18/11 10:10 AM
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Hey all. I'm getting updates from Brandi as she's at the vet with Simba. When they got there, Simba's penis was even more red and swollen. The docs have done an initial exam and have determined that they need to give him anesthesia in order to look more closely to see what the problem is. The plan at this point is to thoroughly examine him and they will put his penis back inside and possibly stitch it. Then, they'll treat him for whatever the cause is. They'll keep him for now, although they haven't given Brandi a definitive length of time. They will only amputate as a last resort. Will continue to update as I hear from her.
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/18/11 10:19 AM
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/18/11 11:14 AM
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Amyy
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I hope your Simba is okay, Brandi.
Last edited by Amyy; 04/18/11 11:15 AM. Reason: spelling
Owned by:My Loving Boyfriend <3 1 Ancient Cat - Simba 2 Little Suggies Winter and Luna
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/18/11 12:39 PM
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They cannot stitch it. He won't be able to go to the bathroom. I have seen this done by a vet before. When they cut the stitch out urine just exploded out of the little guy. Don't let them stitch it.
Mommy to:
Zoey and Teeka
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Sadie, Levi, Maggie, and Radar (dogs) RIP Tippy (rescue)
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/18/11 04:27 PM
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prayers, hugs and good thoughts going your way...I have been thinking of you both all day today!
Sharon Mom to: Zeva & Zoey Cooper- Our wonderful Bichon! Daughters, Lauren & Jennifer(all grown up) Hubby & best friend, Paul
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/18/11 09:29 PM
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DCMuffin
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Sorry guys, been a busy day so I haven't been able to update for Brandi. I'll let her tell you the nitty gritty because it's quite involved...but bottom line is that he's at the vet, they are NOT happy with the vet care all around and it hasn't been easy. Apparently they wouldn't agree to consult with another vet, nor would they talk with Brandi's regular vet (her regular vet wasn't in today, which is why they're at another). It's been a very taxing day for Brandi, to say the least. The last message that I got from Brandi this evening is that Simba is not doing well and has taken a turn for the worse...he's in ICU now. I don't know anything further but will do my best to update if she's unable to do so. Please keep her and Simba Man in your thoughts this evening.
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/18/11 09:55 PM
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suggiemom1980
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Connie 812-890-9734, 24/7 Emergencies/Joey issues SmallWorldSuggies"The greater the challenge, the sweeter the reward" "Glide free Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/18/11 11:21 PM
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Brandi just got a call that so far, Simba is stable but will be kept in ICU. They will update Brandi tonight if something changes, otherwise she'll talk with them right away in the morning. He isn't well and can't move very well in his collar and because he's sore. Poor baby. Will let you know if anything changes! Brandi's regular vet will take over tomorrow.
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 12:15 AM
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Hoping and praying that he continues to progress and his regular vet is able to bring him to a complete recovery (and fire the other vet!) Thinking of you, Brandi and Simba!
Connie 812-890-9734, 24/7 Emergencies/Joey issues SmallWorldSuggies"The greater the challenge, the sweeter the reward" "Glide free Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 02:19 AM
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Dear Lord I hope that regular vet knows more than this one & that this poor baby can hang on that long! I wish I cruised GC more & I could have helped her make an ecollar out of a butter, sour creme, mealie, just about anything lid! Band aids, surgical tape, electrical tape, just about any tape around the edge & a staple would have worked while she could have kept an eye on him. I have pics & can help anyone in the future if anyone wants to save my info or add me to their buddy list. Praying for your baby Brandi
~~~ Crystal ~~~
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 02:30 AM
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Thank you Crystal, maybe it would be a good idea to start a new thread on making these? Brandi, you and Simba are in our thoughts and prayers.
Casper & Liezl Gizzy, Boesman, Muchu, Kiamon, Sky & Boog A glider's eyes have the power to speak a great language RIP Sugar 2009 & Kaida 2013
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 02:51 AM
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there are many lessons to learn from this. and hopefully we can get some good to come out of this.. for starts ky jelly does nothing for a swollen penis.. in cases like this, an e-collar/e-jacket is a must made from anything a paper plate would be better than nothing at all. a little preparation H for the swelling a little orjel for pain management neosporin for an anti-biotic silvadyne or a burn ointment to protect the irritation from the urine. have them contact someone with experience in these areas ASAP BEFORE sending them off to a vet who may not know what they are doing.. the owners are trying to do what is right by their glider, and sometimes is totally unprepared for what an inexperienced vet in this area may do. this vet did the unspeakable.. when NavyChiefWife gets back in here, I am sure she will update everyone, but right now she is really concerned about the life of her glider.
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 06:20 AM
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Lots of praying going on over here.
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 10:27 AM
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Brandi, I know we have talked before, but perhaps you didn't remember I was this close for times you are in FL - if you need anything, do not hesitate to call me I am not far away. If your vet is not in and you need an experienced vet - particularly an e- vet - while on one of your FL visits, Peggy and I have had great experiences with Gary Shelton in Elkton - bit of a drive but so worth it. He also has an office in Interlachen, which is just outside of Gainesville. Located 3 miles south of the only stoplight in Interlachen (SR 20 and 315) on CR 315. http://www.shelvet.com/ELKTON OFFICE: (904) 692-3935 INTERLACHEN OFFICE: (386) 684-4077
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 10:35 AM
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Amyy
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I've been keeping Simba in my thoughts all night, and will continue to do so today. Get better little guy!
Owned by:My Loving Boyfriend <3 1 Ancient Cat - Simba 2 Little Suggies Winter and Luna
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 10:58 AM
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Brandi sent me pics this morning. That vet should have the same thing done to her! The hospital called her about an hour ago. I haven't heard anything back yet. Sending many prayers for this baby! No glider should have to go through what he has, at the hands of a so called ' vet'.
Connie 812-890-9734, 24/7 Emergencies/Joey issues SmallWorldSuggies"The greater the challenge, the sweeter the reward" "Glide free Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 11:59 AM
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The vet, from what I am being told, was one at the University of Florida vet clinic - a place I have referred tons of glider owners to, especially for after hours emergencies, as it is the closest one to many of us in this area. If indeed this mangle job was done by them as I am hearing, I am shocked and saddened. Please pray for this glider! Simba needs the prayers in the worst way right now! What I have been told was done to him is an atrocity and all I can do right now is cry for him and Brandi and hope to God she gets him to her vet or another that will consult with someone who has at least an ounce of common sense and some experience with this type of injury and issue, because obviously the one this glider was taken to doesn't even know general glider anatomy! The only update I can give is second hand knowledge, but I am told the glider was only flossing in the first place (but did scrape his penis slightly) - not a major issue to begin with, that has now turned into something that could threaten his life. I am being told that the vet shoved the penis back in and stitched the entire cloaca shut - not once, but twice (he managed to break through the stitches once). I am also being told the glider could not urinate or defecate ALL NIGHT and that Brandi told the vets to remove the stitches and they refused! She begged them to consult with other glider vets, and they refused! This vet, if what I am told is accurate, is a menace to gliders! How sad for poor Simba and for poor Brandi who is so upset and is having to deal with this. If only her regular vet had been available when this problem began... for that matter, if Brandi had known who she could contact directly (not just via a forum) when she got worried in the first place. We are all here for you, Brandi - and if you need someone to be there in person with you, you can call me and I can be there in about an hour. As for everyone else: I highly recommend the following: http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1102082#Post1102082
Julie Hubby: George Kids: Ayla & Michael Grandsons: Trysten, Dayton, KJ & Nathyn The Zoo: Midnight, Severe & Nala - Claude, Pixie, Tippy & Chili - Scout & Soluna, Theo & Deegie http://hammockhavenpetsplus.com
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 12:13 PM
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Gizmogirl
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Sending many prayers for this baby! No glider should have to go through what he has, at the hands of a so called ' vet'. I agree, this is just wrong and sad. If indeed this mangle job was done by them as I am hearing, I am shocked and saddened. Please pray for this glider! Simba needs the prayers in the worst way right now! What I have been told was done to him is an atrocity and all I can do right now is cry for him and Brandi and hope to God she gets him to her vet or another that will consult with someone who has at least an ounce of common sense and some experience with this type of injury and issue, because obviously the one this glider was taken to doesn't even know general glider anatomy! The only update I can give is second hand knowledge, but I am told the glider was only flossing in the first place (but did scrape his penis slightly) - not a major issue to begin with, that has now turned into something that could threaten his life. I am being told that the vet shoved the penis back in and stitched the entire cloaca shut - not once, but twice (he managed to break through the stitches once). I am also being told the glider could not urinate or defecate ALL NIGHT and that Brandi told the vets to remove the stitches and they refused! She begged them to consult with other glider vets, and they refused! This vet, if what I am told is accurate, is a menace to gliders! How sad for poor Simba and for poor Brandi who is so upset and is having to deal with this. If only her regular vet had been available when this problem began... for that matter, if Brandi had known who she could contact directly (not just via a forum) when she got worried in the first place. We are all here for you, Brandi - and if you need someone to be there in person with you, you can call me and I can be there in about an hour. As for everyone else: I highly recommend the following: http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1102082#Post1102082 I have received the same update. Sending lots of prayers to Brandi and Simba.
Casper & Liezl Gizzy, Boesman, Muchu, Kiamon, Sky & Boog A glider's eyes have the power to speak a great language RIP Sugar 2009 & Kaida 2013
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 12:36 PM
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Bourbon
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with Brandi's permission I am going to update everyone from the beginning... Brandi took her glider to the vet, first off they made her sign an electronic screen, then printed out what she was signing.. they told her that they were going to take Simba back , put him under to examine him, then they would probably try to shove the penis back in, then stitch it to hold it in, then try to find out the cause. she voiced her concerns then and told them she did not feel comfortable with them stitching him. They reassured her they would not do anything till they talked to her. right after that Brandi called me, I got Mary on the phone and we were talking to her, she told us what they wanted to do. we explained to her that stitching was not an option and that forcing the penis in, could damage the sheaths, that the swelling needed to be taken care of and then the penis would retract on it's own. We also gave her the phone number for dr fronefield who in our opinion is an expert in this particular area for them to do a phone consult, we also discussed dr tristan. she tried to contact her vet but he was out of the office. so she hung up and called the vet back and told them she did not want them to stitch ... well it was too late, they already stuffed the penis back in and stitched it, they gave the glider lidocane to help reduce the swelling which was not working, and gave him baytril and buphnorphin and they expressed his anal glands. also something only a knowledgeable vet in this area should do as the anal glans are multi-chambered and the risk of damaging the walls makes it a very risky procedure. She told them that she wanted them to do a phone consult of a glider knowledgeable vet who had a lot of experience, they refuse the consult, and she told them she wanted her vet to be part of the treatment team. they said they would not allow that, that they will tell her vet what they are doing and nothing else. the glider was placed in an incubator at that time to recover from the surgery. she told them to remove the stitches they said they would. she went back to the vet that night to take him his food and see him. they had the stitches in and he had pushed his penis out through the stitch, so the pushed it back in and put yet another stitch in. she so badly wanted to take him out of there as when she saw him he was in ICU and was wrenching and crying in pain trying to defecate past the stitches.she was trying desperately to reach another vet so she could have someplace to take him so she told them to give her an hour , they told her that either she take him then or leave him there for them to do what they felt he needed. she had no choice but to leave him. she was given her bill and was told that they may amputate the penis, and if so, they would hold him for 2 more days till he recoups, and it would cost her a couple hundred dollars more. This morning They told her that they had another surgery as he pushed his penis past the stitch again, and they again put yet more stitches in. they told her he did defecate while in surgery. By this time she is livid, and contacted her vet, he is awaiting Simba to get to him, armed with fronefields and tristans number. She is currently on her way to get simba to take him to her vet. here is a pic of him last night, where his penis had pushed out past the stitches, Simba Penis , pushed out through the stitches Simba Full Body as you can see his penis now looks like hamburger, they are talking about amputating it now, and hopefully Brandi will get there before they do.
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 12:37 PM
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DirtyPaws
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I've said this somewhere else, but it scares me to death to think that eventually I will need an emergency vet & will get a moron for a doctor. We are all not lucky enough to live close to truly glider knowledgeable vets I want to thank Bourbon for posting the info she posted pertaining penis/cloaca issues such as this. I know we walk a thin line between 'Rx-ing' & 'suggesting' but when so many of us have to travel to get to REAL glider vets THIS is the kind of info & products we need to have on hand, & know HOW & WHEN to use them. I will always be thankful for learning various things on this forum from those already educated & experienced. That said, we should always use our best judgement taking advice from anyone on the boards & this is the best reason to read threads such as this to gain as much info as possible to be able to weigh what people in various experiences have used/done etc. Still praying for that poor baby.
~~~ Crystal ~~~
Dot Dot Woobie Isabella Beetlejuice
Blitzy&Ella ~ Twinkie&Tiramisu ~ Dolly&Doobie
Taaska & Sadie ~ Teddy Bear Doodle & Sasha
Tiki, MoJo, Ruckus, Napoleon
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Re: Penis Problem Please Help! - Part One
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04/19/11 12:46 PM
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Bourbon
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She is at the vets now trying to get him, the question is, will Simba be held hostage till she pays the bill. according to other vets they can not stop her from taking her glider. the concerns right now is not only the penis, but the damage that may have been done to the penis shaft as well as the damage to the anal glands. the lower area is very swelled but at this time we do not know if it is a back up of urine, feces, or if the anal glands have some serious damage. she was told they will not remove the stitches that her vet will have to do it. this glider is in very bad shape and we are all praying that he makes it through this.
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04/19/11 12:54 PM
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This is heartbreaking. I pray Simba makes it through this nighmare!
Connie 812-890-9734, 24/7 Emergencies/Joey issues SmallWorldSuggies"The greater the challenge, the sweeter the reward" "Glide free Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."
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04/19/11 12:54 PM
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Cora
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omg i am praying so hard. with the before and after pics alone she should not have to pay no bill but to call a lawyer and get her baby to her vet.
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