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popping joeys-new breeders please read #1115716
05/18/11 11:32 AM
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it has come to my attention that some breeders "pop their joeys" meaning that when the joeys are still in pouch and not detached from the nipple the breeder will move the joey around to see the sex of the joey or whatever.

this is a dangerous practice as the joeys may not be able
to get back on the nipple, so hand feeding is required.
the mother gets engorged with milk and cannot feed the joeys as it is to painful. so you will be feeding this
joey every hour on the hour so it will survive and prob.
have to take mama glider to the vets.

any new breeders out there that are told how to do this should be aware of what could happen as these joeys could and do die. for what- our impatience to see what the sex or what ever the joey is.

let the joeys cook(stay in pouch) they will come out when
they are ready.

regards,
nancy in detroit


regards,
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115730
05/18/11 12:19 PM
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Oh that is terrible!! As much as I wanted to hold my joeys, I waited until they were out of mommies pouch on their own before I actually touched them.

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115732
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Wow. To me common sense says to leave them alone. I guess common sense isn't so common is it? shakehead

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115747
05/18/11 12:53 PM
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Oh my gosh I didnt know people did this, thats so horrible. I was so excited to see the joey the last thing I was thinking was the sex of him. WOW Some people!


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115750
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Yikes. I hope no one is really doing this. It makes me sick.

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115752
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hannah, yes some breeders are doing it and also telling other breeders how to do this.

this is why i started this post. it never even occured to me that a breeder would do this but we all learn at the expense and deaths of the joeys.

i cannot say what i feel on gc but i will say- that this practice should be stopped by all breeders who really care abt. their gliders.

regards,
nancy in detroit

Last edited by hwh4ev; 05/18/11 01:17 PM.

regards,
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115758
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Sorry Nancy, I didn't mean to imply that I was doubting you. I'm just... in disbelief, I guess.

Why endanger the lives of joeys just so you can get a peek? cry

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115764
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115790
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I had no idea that this what being done and it is very disturbing to me!!!!! I mean is the only reason breeders are doing this is so that they can advertise and take deposits early? Never count your chicks before they hatch tant This is so dangerous and joeys are so much work why put the mother and joeys through the stress and put them in danger. I have no idea which breeders are practicing this but I want to STAY clear of them ERRRRRRR!!!!!


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115802
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I have never done anything like this. Honestly, it had never even crossed my mind to try to do something like this. If the joeys are that close to OOP, you only need to wait another few days. If you've already waited so long, why rush it at the end? It's a few days...not a few years.

I didn't know this was something that a lot of breeders did. This has got to be something that the minority of breeders attempt as I've never heard of it being done until recently.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115828
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I am NOT one of them either, I can't imagine doing that to my mommas or joeys.
I also cannot wrap my brain around reasoning, you do not shange the color or sex by seeing it a week or 2 early and the $$$ for that glider isn't YOURS until the glider is in new parents possession, so in reality you what? get to sit on the deposit money for an extra 2 weeks.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115831
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I see no reason to do this either. If the joey is hanging OOP, sometimes you can determine the sex, if not just wait a few more days. Nothings going to change by waiting!

Do they do this to advertise them sooner? That wouldn't work for me as my joeys seem to always be several weeks OOP before I post about them! roflmao


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115832
05/18/11 03:21 PM
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This is insane. These poor joey's.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115838
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I do not do this but have heard of a couple that do this with their own gliders. It also may cause joeys to be canabalized due to stressing the mom out .I won't even check for baby bumps due to stressing mom out while pregnant.
I am a very impatient person when it does come to seeing my babies come oop. But I would never endanger them in anyway shape or form.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115859
05/18/11 04:31 PM
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Alright. Common sense and patience will prevail. Leave the mother's alone. It is endangering the joeys.

You will see them soon enough. What is the rush?

Thanks for posting this Nancy. Good job.

Last edited by Marsupial_Mayhem; 05/18/11 04:33 PM.

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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: StitchsMom] #1115860
05/18/11 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: StitchsMom
I have never done anything like this. Honestly, it had never even crossed my mind to try to do something like this. If the joeys are that close to OOP, you only need to wait another few days. If you've already waited so long, why rush it at the end? It's a few days...not a few years.

I didn't know this was something that a lot of breeders did. This has got to be something that the minority of breeders attempt as I've never heard of it being done until recently.
Not a lot of breeders. Just a handful that I have been hearing about more and more. It's just not smart. Leave the joeys and moms be.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: GliderNursery] #1115861
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Originally Posted By: GliderNursery
I see no reason to do this either. If the joey is hanging OOP, sometimes you can determine the sex, if not just wait a few more days. Nothings going to change by waiting!

Do they do this to advertise them sooner? That wouldn't work for me as my joeys seem to always be several weeks OOP before I post about them! roflmao
Only advantage I see is to sell them quicker. At the risk of the joeys lives. Tsk Tsk.

shakehead


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115870
05/18/11 05:03 PM
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I've been offered advice from a couple breeders, on how to pop out joeys to see the sex and coloring. I saw absolutely reason to do this and I like the anticipation of waiting! There are enough rejected joeys, without creating a situation.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115872
05/18/11 05:12 PM
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To me it felt like Christmas time waiting to see my little joey. I didnt care if it was a boy or a girl, just hoped he was healthy and if his mom and dad was going to take care of him. I was scared to touch him for about a week. LOL Poor little babies and even more those poor mommies losing there babies and such. Makes me cry thinking about it.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115879
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I've heard about people doing this, too...

So upsetting. frown


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115885
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Ive been told how to do this by another breeder...but it was NOT to determine the sex, it was to take a sneak peek at color (didnt feel comfortable even doing that)...in order to determine the sex not only would you have to push the joey over to the pouch opening (and pray that you are pushing on the butt and not the head), but then you would have to lift it up to determine the sex, thus HUGE risk of detaching it off the nipple as joeys are face down into the teat with backs up....idiotic in my book

Last edited by Chris_R; 05/18/11 05:49 PM.
Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: Chris_R] #1115912
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This seems to me that there is a HUGE risk of causing internal and brain damage, man handling such a tiny joey. cry


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115914
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This is really bizarre to me. I am confused regardless of the reason. Why would you do this to find out color? Babies IP usually don't even have color or color up until they are ready to come oop. Is this for untame Momma gliders? Because I can get all the peeks I need to by just giving momma gliders some treats. I have seen almost all my joey's weeks before they came oop with no POPPING INVOLVED. WHO is buying these joey's and when did the demand be come so Great. I have seen many beautiful joeys on here for sale for excellant prices THAT JUST DO NOT SELL...So I don't understand the sudden demand to know these things weeks before OOP?


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115951
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It is just sad frown That some breeders resort to this. I am nervous to clip my gliders nails when they have babies in pouch. I even move all of their sleeping pouches lower in the cage. I am very terrified of losing a joey or harming one of my mommies. I would never dream of doing ANYTHING that could potentially harm any of my gliders.
I am at a loss for words.........


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115953
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LOL no poping needed with my retired momma Carmella and Esme!!! They are so bonded to me. They would lay on there backs and just ler the pouch hang open so anything at the opening was mine to see. I swear it was as if they were saying look what i got cooking!! Persephone will let her pouch open sometimes but most the time she keeps it sealed shut and makes me wait sooo long lol. This little boy she has now i swear was detatched at least 5 days before i found him off the nipple and out of the pouch!! At 17 grams and eyes open a few days later lol.

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: ssdreamsicles] #1115954
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Originally Posted By: ssdreamsicles
LOL no poping needed with my retired momma Carmella and Esme!!! They are so bonded to me. They would lay on there backs and just ler the pouch hang open so anything at the opening was mine to see. I swear it was as if they were saying look what i got cooking!! Persephone will let her pouch open sometimes but most the time she keeps it sealed shut and makes me wait sooo long lol. This little boy she has now i swear was detatched at least 5 days before i found him off the nipple and out of the pouch!! At 17 grams and eyes open a few days later lol.


That is what I was saying my mommas just let it all hang out there for the world to see. One of my moms even let naked ones hang out really pink naked and really small.....I was so nervous but she kept them attached and they turned out to be CG and WFB. So this popping thing doesn't even sound necessary.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115983
05/18/11 09:10 PM
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Hey, you know that old saying

"Good things come to those who WAIT"?????

Wait it out!!!!! As worried AND excited I was when my Lethe had her joey IP...there was no way I was going to mess with her belly/pouch area...I don't care if she opened that pouch with both paws to show me (LOL would'nt that be a trip tho??).

You can ask Melissa (ssdreamsicles)...she told me several times to gently feel Lethe's pouch area to see if there was one or 2 joeys...my first thought was "NO WAY". That is how paranoid I was/am with IP joeys...

Let nature take its course....and maybe breeders should lean more towards waiting lists instead of deposits for "specific" joeys.

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1115998
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So sad!!
Maybe those people should read the goose who laid golden eggs.

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116046
05/18/11 11:33 PM
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Oh No! I had never heard of that. I must admit I prefer my joeys well done.

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116051
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I am not aware of any breeders who do this? It is a very invasive technique by the way you are describing it!


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