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Heartbroken *Updated* #1237099
03/08/12 10:18 PM
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My glider Cab came from a mill breeder-I didn't know this when I bought him. Said mill breeder also told me to buy only 1-even though I wanted 2. Anyway I met the man before looked at the websites he gave me, then bought Cab a few months later. Needless to say the info was wrong. A nice local breeder (Cora) became my mentor & even said I could have a rehome trio of girls. I didn't want joeys so I said I'd neuter him. Also per her advise I took Cab to the vet...turns out he had/has tri-trech. It's been a few weeks but we decided it's in the best interest of the bonded trio for them not to come home with me. I'm so heartbroken & now not only do the girls not get to come home with me, but also Cab doesn't get a cage mate to bond with :*(

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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237114
03/08/12 10:39 PM
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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237119
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I'm sorry to hear you won't be able to bring others into your home now. But all is not lost - this is just a minor setback - Cab will have friends before you know it. Have faith. smile

Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237121
03/08/12 10:47 PM
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I'm so sorry, how frustrating. Do you know how long it will be before the tri is gone? Maybe the girls will still be available once the treatment has gotten rid of it?


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237123
03/08/12 10:48 PM
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How can Cab have friends if he will always have tri trichs????? Please tell me cause these girls would love for nothing more than to be able to go home with the smell of Danielle they have been smelling for like 3 weeks so someone please tell me how will he ever have friends?????? This is a serious situation brewing I hope folks will start taking this much more seriously so we can stop it.


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237131
03/08/12 10:53 PM
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I mean I know I am crying so I cannot imagine how Danielle feels.


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237150
03/08/12 11:07 PM
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I googled tri trech. but all that came up was software stuff.

What is tri trech, I'm assuming it cannot be cured? Is it life threatening?

Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237153
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Yeah,.what she said....what is it???


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Cora] #1237165
03/08/12 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: Cora
How can Cab have friends if he will always have tri trichs?????


Are you saying that there is no way to get rid of tri trichs or cure the glider of them??


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: GliderNursery] #1237166
03/08/12 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: GliderNursery
Originally Posted By: Cora
How can Cab have friends if he will always have tri trichs?????


Are you saying that there is no way to get rid of tri trichs or cure the glider of them??


That's the same question going through my head.. I don't really even truly know what it is.


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237168
03/08/12 11:30 PM
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I'll admit, I don't know a whole lot about tri-trich. I do know that cats that have it, live their lives with other cats and while they will be carriers, with medication they can keep the disease at bay.

I find it hard to believe that this glider needs to be alone his entire life. dunno

Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: kjgoulet] #1237169
03/08/12 11:31 PM
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from what Im seeing Tri Trichs is called TF for short. It can be cured by "waiting it out" for 1-2 years to resolve itself, or by using a dangerous medication.

Is this correct?

http://www.ragdollcatguide.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=6520

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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237170
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it is tritrichomonas. there are different strains of it.

tritec. has been going around our glider community, there is
alot of info on lgg abt. this.

tritec. does respond to the correct meds. once the glider
is cleared of the tritec. there is no reason it can not have a buddy or 2. some breeders are breeding gliders that
had this.

those of you that are on lgg, i suggest you read abt. this for more info.


regards,
nancy in detroit


regards,
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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237172
03/08/12 11:34 PM
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which mill breeder did you get it from?
You may need to contact them to let them know, if one has it, most of them probably have it.

Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237173
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In all my readings I have never heard of this. I am still new Less than a year in but I have read alot. I hope someone can figure this out that has been in gliders alot longer and let us know what it is, if its curable, etc. I am very curious about this problem. And I do want this little guy to be ok and get to have friends one day. Its terrible that mill breeders don't care about their gliders.


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: hwh4ev] #1237177
03/08/12 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: hwh4ev
those of you that are on lgg, i suggest you read abt. this for more info.


regards,
nancy in detroit


For the benefit of GliderCENTRAL members, I'd like the details to be discussed here as well. Not everyone is a member of LGG.

I just started another post: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: hwh4ev] #1237178
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Originally Posted By: hwh4ev
it is tritrichomonas. there are different strains of it.

tritec. has been going around our glider community, there is
alot of info on lgg abt. this.

tritec. does respond to the correct meds. once the glider
is cleared of the tritec. there is no reason it can not have a buddy or 2. some breeders are breeding gliders that
had this.

those of you that are on lgg, i suggest you read abt. this for more info.


regards,
nancy in detroit

This is my understanding of it up to this point but thought maybe I'd missed something.

Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237180
03/08/12 11:40 PM
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"Tri-trech" isnt the full name I just can't spell it lol. From what I understand its a protazoa parasite that "flares" around 4/5weeks making the glider lose their fur but the fur grows back by 8weeks ish. It lays dormant but comes back during times of stress (then with medicine) can/will go dormant again. it can't be passed to humans but yes to pets through feces. vet said if a reptile has it its not a big deal but she's never seem it in gliders. :*((((((


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237184
03/08/12 11:44 PM
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Yet it HAS been seen in gliders (or symptoms anyway) several times in fact, over the past few months. While I do believe it's important to know what you're dealing with and of course, being cautious, I do not believe for a second that your little guy can't have a buddy in his life.

Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237197
03/09/12 12:01 AM
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Actually... I don't think anyone has OFFICIALLY been DIAGNOSED with tritrich in the glider community. It has been suspected, but anyone that has sent off for the DNA test for it has come back negative, as far as I've heard, and I've tried to keep up with this.

Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237201
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I thought Nadine had a positive test for it? Idk I'm so turned around with all the "ick" babies between who had what.. Other than Sherri, I have her on FB lol! So I know what hers is.


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237205
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As far as I have heard, Nadine had a tech say that they saw one swimmer, possibly/probably a trichamonas [not necessarily tritrich]. Never an official diagnosis, from what I heard. If I'm wrong, hopefully Nadine will come let us know smile
The only one that I know of with a true diagnosis - and recovery! - was Sherri, who's joeys had yeast infections.

Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237209
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Gotcha, after losing my laptop to the big plug in in the sky I got so backed up it will be a miracle if I can even catch up and know what's going on lol! I know Sherri, yeast infections and little Abigail. Rooting for that baby smile

Tianna had staph I believe, I even lost track of her progress but know Mystery came out alive and well..

Other than that, it's jumbled dunno


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237215
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yes, there have been and there is right now a glider being treated for tritec. it is in the glider community.

cats carry it and it can be transferred to gliders.

regards,
nancy in detroit
p.s. i am not saying cats were at fault in these cases as
i dont know how the gliders got it.


regards,
nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237228
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Nancy, would you mind linking to that please?

Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: hwh4ev] #1237230
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Originally Posted By: hwh4ev
it is tritrichomonas. there are different strains of it.

tritec. has been going around our glider community, there is
alot of info on lgg abt. this.

tritec. does respond to the correct meds. once the glider
is cleared of the tritec. there is no reason it can not have a buddy or 2. some breeders are breeding gliders that
had this.

those of you that are on lgg, i suggest you read abt. this for more info.


regards,
nancy in detroit


Nancy, this is t necessarily completely true. frown Unfortunately, there is no guarantee tric is curable. There hasn't been enough of it in gliders to know if it is just lowered in numbers or completely 'cured'. Many gliders that have giardia are treated and show negative for giardia in one test. Are they cured? Some yes, some a very resounding No! Many people believe you can only know definitely it is cured if an antigen test shows it's clear.

With tric we can barely find them much less k ow for sure they are gone for good. I do know probiotics help change the gut flora so that they don't grab hold, so to speak, and multiply.

We are trying to get a research facility interested so that we can get more info on how it affects gliders, what strain it is, DNA that strain and then get a test put together to identify it. This isn't going to happen overnight.

We definitely need to keep it in check and try not to spread it farther if/when it is diagnosed. What type test was used to diagnose in OP's case here?


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237240
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Originally my vet didnt know what it was. She did a fecal smear/float. Said it looked kinda like giardia, but didnt move like giardia &the float didnt have any eggs. I talked to Cora who contacted Chris who then called me, recieved the vets number & called her. After discussion decided it was tri-trech. I have also talked to Ms. Sardou about this but havent had the chance to update her if anyone is wondering wink


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237242
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Nadine's joeys did NOT have tri-trich. Her ill joeys all recovered except one that died NOT from the illness but from being tube fed and aspirating the formula.


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Dancing] #1237256
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
Nadine's joeys did NOT have tri-trich.

Not completely accurate. Idexx found swimmers that were, originally stated by Nadine as a form of trich. Possibly Pentatrich, possibly tritrich. Nothing definitive in any direction. The Colorado lab a separate sample was sent to at a later date stated they saw tritrich but could not identify the strain. I believe it was also stated it had traits that resembled the muris strain.

Here again, we do not know what strain of trich may be infecting our gliders at this point and we do not know if it is curable, or exactly what it will do in our gliders. Different strains cause different things to happen in many animals.


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Re: Heartbroken *Updated* [Re: Countryncrafty] #1237258
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Nadine's info page about the illnesses she recently had to deal with mentions that her gliders tested positive for tri trich, but it was benign and not the reason they were so sick, and it says that her vet has determined that the tri trich is no longer present.

Quote:
This took us longer to diagnose than it normally would because we discovered a single tritrichomonad in a fecal test. Subsequent testing revealed that it was NOT of a harmful variety and nothing to worry about, however, it took the focus away from the fur when we were worried that it may have been a parasite. We did PCR (DNA) testing on the fecal material to determine that the trichomonad was not of a harmful variety.


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