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Considerations when choosing a third glider... #1244027
03/29/12 09:03 PM
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What are some things to consider when getting a third glider? I have a 7 month old female and a 5 month old neutered male. Do you think it makes a difference whether I choose a male or female? Does the age of a new glider matter (should it be younger)? I read some where that as long as the new glider is no smaller than 2/3 the size of the others it is safe to keep them in the same cage(after quarantine and proper introductions) - is this an accepted theory?

My pair are so good together I just worry about disrupting that.

I love all the experience thats on this forum and hope to get some great information smile


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244038
03/29/12 09:53 PM
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My pair are so good together I just worry about disrupting that.


I could. You can not predict the way they will respond to a new glider, or a new glider to them. Sometimes it works perfectly and it's all the better, sometimes they hate eachother and they will never get along. When looking for a third, I personally would go for a neutered male and know that if it doesn't work out, you'll need to have another cage and prob. another glider. I also would go younger than what you have.

All gliders are different, there is no way to predict how they will do. So make sure if you add a third glider you know what you are getting yourself into.


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244047
03/29/12 11:02 PM
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Thanks Alicia.

Can you help me understand why a neutered male may be a better choice?


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244049
03/29/12 11:05 PM
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I actually find that two females are often harder to introduce (everyone thinks the males are so teritorail, but like in real life, a woman in love can be really mean when another woman meets her man). I find that adding two neutered males (my favorite type anyhow) that they are happy to have a buddy and the little lady gets to reamain the queen bee.


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244054
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ahhhhh....that makes sense. thanks


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244061
03/29/12 11:51 PM
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I had a HORRIBLE experience introducing a third glider. I had the perfect pair. A neutered male and female. They lived peacefully together for two years. I then decided to get a second neutered male, but the two males never got along, and I eventually had to re-home one. I would have gladly kept them in separate cages and gotten a friend for the new male, but my female's partner started giving her severe mating wounds. I then tried putting her with the new male, in a different room, but he did the same thing. I think they were both claiming her? I'm not sure why they were both attacking her, but it stopped after the one male left. To this day I regret the whole experience. It was just awful.


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: queenduck] #1244100
03/30/12 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: queenduck
I actually find that two females are often harder to introduce (everyone thinks the males are so teritorail, but like in real life, a woman in love can be really mean when another woman meets her man). I find that adding two neutered males (my favorite type anyhow) that they are happy to have a buddy and the little lady gets to reamain the queen bee.




:yes:

I have a pair N/ Male and a female. I am getting another male with the same idea in mind. Even though Tsuba is the male Kaida calls the shots I have noticed this since day one and through bonding he follows her orders :lol: unless its food :owell: rofl so I feel another N/Male will be just the ticket in keeping peace in thats family :jump2: mlove


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: queenduck] #1244112
03/30/12 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted By: queenduck
I actually find that two females are often harder to introduce (everyone thinks the males are so teritorail, but like in real life, a woman in love can be really mean when another woman meets her man). I find that adding two neutered males (my favorite type anyhow) that they are happy to have a buddy and the little lady gets to reamain the queen bee.



:agreed:

Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244124
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Kelli, I am sorry your introduction went so badly. Even with the best of planning you can never predict if they will like eachother or not. When you have 8 week old joeys, they are very easy to pair up. Most of the time they don't care a bit. But when your gliders start to mature there is no way to know if they will like eachother. So it is best to plan for the future. I hate to see people get a third one, then find it doesn't work and then they have to re-home one of them, usually the least pretty (in some cases) or the one they paid the least for (in some cases) and then they freak out.

For me the neutered, neutered, female works the best at this age. HOWEVER, if someone gets a third then they need to have a back up plan. The plan should include a second cage and planning on keeping this third baby if it doesn't work, and getting a 4th glider to keep the 3rd company. It is a choice that comes with a lot of responsibilities.


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: queenduck] #1244171
03/30/12 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: queenduck
For me the neutered, neutered, female works the best at this age. HOWEVER, if someone gets a third then they need to have a back up plan. The plan should include a second cage and planning on keeping this third baby if it doesn't work, and getting a 4th glider to keep the 3rd company. It is a choice that comes with a lot of responsibilities.


:agreed:


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244175
03/30/12 11:36 AM
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I'm sorry too Kelii. Your experience is also my fear.

My "babies" are no longer joeys but they are still young(5 and 7 months). Since joeys are easier to introduce would you say there is an age where it becomes harder to do introductions? i.e younger than one year is easier than older, etc.


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244181
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I've intro'd gliders who are 5 or 7 YEARS of age to one another....so let's toss that "theory" that older=more difficult to do ANYTHING with. (intro's, bonding, etc)

Example: Minka is at least 8; Willy is every bit that (or older, not certain). Willy lost his cagemate last July, I introduced him to her AND a year-old female. Until Minka's perpetual problem arose, they were 3 happy campers.

I've also had a brother/sister pair (2-3 years old I think) who welcomed a third (also 2-year-old) neutered male to their pouch with open arms.

There are PLENTY of good intro's that happen every day...all you hear about here is when things go WRONG.


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: minkasmom] #1244278
03/30/12 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: minkasmom
I've intro'd gliders who are 5 or 7 YEARS of age to one another....so let's toss that "theory" that older=more difficult to do ANYTHING with. (intro's, bonding, etc)

Example: Minka is at least 8; Willy is every bit that (or older, not certain). Willy lost his cagemate last July, I introduced him to her AND a year-old female. Until Minka's perpetual problem arose, they were 3 happy campers.

I've also had a brother/sister pair (2-3 years old I think) who welcomed a third (also 2-year-old) neutered male to their pouch with open arms.

There are PLENTY of good intro's that happen every day...all you hear about here is when things go WRONG.


:agreed:


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244300
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Fact or fiction? I have heard trying to have a tri-colony can be tricky and difficult. Is this true? Should they always be kept in even numbers to make it easier?


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244301
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Fact or fiction? I have heard trying to have a tri-colony can be tricky and difficult. Is this true? Should they always be kept in even numbers to make it easier?


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Tammie1971] #1244309
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Originally Posted By: Tammie1971
Fact or fiction? I have heard trying to have a tri-colony can be tricky and difficult. Is this true? Should they always be kept in even numbers to make it easier?


I think the problems that come with a tri colony is when trying to breed! I have heard plenty of stories that the tri colony has gone wrong when breeding because there can be baby stealing and cannibalizing ! I'm sure there are many who have successfully introduced tri colony's breeding or none! But I'd be extra careful if breeding !

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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244489
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I don't think odd or even numbers has anything to do with it. I think it's a personality thing between all of the gliders.


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Re: Considerations when choosing a third glider... [Re: Jenn_STL] #1244516
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I have a trio and they are the best matched of most of my gliders... and the others are mostly all related somehow. The pair I started off with were very mellow and easy going. I found a third glider who matched their personalities to a tee, and also their level of always wanting to be outgoing. I was terribly nervous about introducing them, but as soon as I placed both pouches the bathtub for brief intros, it was love at first site.

The pair was a brother/sister with the male being neutered. They were probably about a year older at the times of intros. They have the perfect family life. THe two neutered males are BEST buddies, always playing with eachother, but the unrelated male is also best pals with the female, almost like it is his gal pal. When the brother and sister fight, the second male just stays out of it. It is like he knows it is a sibling squabble and it will be over shortly. Just find a breeder that you can discuss all of your concerns with, and who is willing to help you in the intro process if need be. Just be prepared to look for a fourth glider if the intros do not work out.

Welcome by the way! Glad to see another Missourian


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