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Parents of wt's are what?
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08/24/06 09:09 AM
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I have two joeys that have white tip tails. The parents do not. Does this mean both parents are het for wt? The dad has a dad that is a white tip, but the mom's parents are both grays. I'm just curious how that works...
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08/24/06 09:29 AM
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Well, as the suggie Mom to two WT's with 3 WT joeys from this pair, I honestly cannot answer that.LOL Noone really knows how the genetics for WT work, since 9 times out of 10 WT's are born as a sort of Fluke. both my Zephyyr and Nyx were born to grey/cinni and a gray/gray pair. No signs or knowledge of WT in the past..(Then again with a wild caught pair and a pair from a pet store that is hard to follow anyway) Being that your male had a WT dad helps - that makes him a WT het but with your female, my assumption (and I could be wayyy off the mark) is that she too is a WT het. Somewhere in there someone in her family makybe had a WT and she just got the gene randomly. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> Then again, many WT's are born to gliders with no WT in their past at all, so there is really no way of knowing how it works. Mnay breeders have had a couple of pairs with WT's and have never had a WT joey born yet. I am lucky in that my WT pair, both times they have mated have produced WT's. Now next time around who knows? LOL I may never get WT's again. lol Now, basically that long winded reply coulkd have been summed up with "Um...Who Knows?LOL" But all the same, congrats on your beautiful WT babies, it's pretty neat to see their lil tails with that tiny spot of pink on the end isn't it? LOL Amanda <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
Amanda, Jeff& A Pomchi named Wickett A Yorkie named Meeya A Great Dane named Berlyn 5 Cats Kamorah, Aiko, Mo, Peekaboo, & Alice Someday Ill have more suggies... 2 skin kids - Xander Finlay James March6 2010, and Rohan Kingsley July 5 2011
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Re: Parents of wt's are what?
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08/24/06 10:48 AM
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You boys daddy has never had any white tip joeys. He has the wt just dosen't seem to pass it on. At least we know now that he passes on the gene. I have no idea either how this works but I do agree that 9 times out of 10 the wt are a surpirse. We discoved that one of our grays pairs we have after 5 joeys had a wt little girl. That was a shocker to us.
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Re: Parents of wt's are what?
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08/24/06 10:54 AM
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Genetics is so baffling. It is amazing that gliders have all these different traits and different ways they are passed to offspring.
Anyone that has an interest in genetics could certainly make a career out of studying gliders! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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08/24/06 02:20 PM
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I have 3 WT's and they all came from normal colored parents... One of my WT males joeys has went on to produce a WT joey though.
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08/24/06 06:14 PM
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Genetics is so baffling. It is amazing that gliders have all these different traits and different ways they are passed to offspring.
Anyone that has an interest in genetics could certainly make a career out of studying gliders! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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U hit it right on the head! :-) That's actually what I'm going to school for and will hopefully soon be able to help answer some of these questions with a little scientific fact to back it up.
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Re: Parents of wt's are what?
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08/25/06 07:51 AM
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Ok, so IF wt is a recessive gene, it does mean both parents would need to carry the gene in order for the babies to display it. Am I correct on this assumption? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thanx.gif" alt="" />
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08/25/06 01:16 PM
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Justine, Yes.. if it IS recessive.. both parents must carry the gene.. but I don't know if that has been proven the case. Recently someone on this board got a WT out of two standards, however I can't recall if they knew the lineage of those gliders.. there could've been WT in the background they didn't know about.
Also, hasn't someone recently gotten a WT out of a WT and a standard with NO WT in its lineage? This would lead to the assumption it is a codominant gene.. :-)
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08/25/06 01:50 PM
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LOL.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> That's the thing with the WT genes, noone really knows how it works.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> I'm not sure that there is a correct way to answer this question..LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nopity.gif" alt="" />
The thing I keep coming back to is that not all pairs of WT's (meaning both parents are WT) actually ever produce WT's, but sometimes their normal colored babies have WT's... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohwell.gif" alt="" /> Eeek. I mean really who knows? It isn't something that can be applied to a punnett square that is for sure. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" />
Like with my pair like I said earlier I may never be blessed with more WT's from my WT pair again, and their 3 WT babies though they are 2nd gen WT are not guaranteed to have WT babies if bred either... It's a mess of what if's and could be's... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" /> If ya think about it too long though it has brain pain potential for folks like me who are noooo good at science and genetics <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" />..LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />
I can think about it and ponder it as long as I want and it just keeps going around and around and around... I never get anywhere.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/upset.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />
Amanda <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
Amanda, Jeff& A Pomchi named Wickett A Yorkie named Meeya A Great Dane named Berlyn 5 Cats Kamorah, Aiko, Mo, Peekaboo, & Alice Someday Ill have more suggies... 2 skin kids - Xander Finlay James March6 2010, and Rohan Kingsley July 5 2011
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Re: Parents of wt's are what?
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08/28/06 06:27 AM
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This is interesting. Maybe it's a gene similar to color-blindness in humans, where it skips a generation?
I've really been wondering how all the color variations have come about in sugar gliders anyway, since the standard is gray. I've always heard that the only way to get color variations in an animal - especially one that is most-always one specific color or pattern - is to inbreed, but somehow I don't think this is the case, especially since it seems to be an extremely bad thing to allow gliders to inbreed.
So where did all the colors come from?
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Re: Parents of wt's are what?
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08/28/06 01:45 PM
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All of this is very interesting. I never knew there were genes that skip a generation. That is weird.
Well thanks everyone for your thought/ideas! It will be interesting to see what is discovered in the next few years!!!
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