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Help! I don't know where my babies came from! #1411803
08/31/17 11:21 PM
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November of last year I rescued 4 gliders that were said to have been abandoned. The girl I got them from, got them from a girl who needed a foster home for them, and she says she got them from a guy, but doesn't remember his name. Neither girl is helpful with any information about the gliders. I have so many questions about their history, their previous health status, previous diets, just millions of questions.
They're doing great now, BUT there are babies now...
I was told that these gliders were fixed. But they're not. There's 2 boys and 2 girls. I know who the Mommy and Daddy are, but not having their history is really starting to bother me! I'm sure there was record of them at birth, correct? Because you have to document them to follow the lineage to ensure there is no mating between relatives?
I've done plenty of research on Sugar Gliders, but I know nothing of the development of the joeys.

I've re-written this post a million times. It's difficult to word all of the drama that came before them, and I felt like I was rambling.
Is there any way to find out who my babies are?! Where they came from?! Then I'd know how old they were, and if they were related.
I live in Illinois. I picked them up in Bartlet maybe. They were fostered through an Elgin FB page, and previously lived in that area Elgin, Hoffman Estates, Schaumburg.

Idk where else to turn.
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Hi! Welcome to Glider central!!!

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Sorry I took so long to respond, I'm at work and had something come up...


I understand how you feel.

I'm afraid that if there was any record of lineage, it's probably lost with so many re- homes.

So you know what colors do you have?

Mine don't have lineage. My first one I got from Pocket Pets, and my second one was taken from her colony as a joey, too young to breed. I'm not concerned about lineage because they are only my pets with no plans to breed.

Have you considered having the males neutered or are you considering breeding?


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Re: Help! I don't know where my babies came from! [Re: Ladymagyver] #1411806
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Unfortunately, Dawn/Ladymagyver is correct. Finding the lineage on your gliders would be like looking for that needle in the haystack.

I commend you for wanting to make sure you have all that information, however, since it would be impossible to find, the best thing you can do is make sure from this point forward you do everything you can to ensure they are healthy happy and loved.


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They're doing great now, BUT there are babies now...
I was told that these gliders were fixed. But they're not. There's 2 boys and 2 girls. I know who the Mommy and Daddy are


Because you have no lineage, IMO, more joeys should be out of the question.
Dad needs to be the first on neutered and can be done as soon as you are able.

When you determine the gender of the joeys, then any males should also be neutered when they are old enough to ensure there is no breeding from that little fella.

Once all males are neutered, if you wish, you will have an amazing family unit you can keep together.

I heart family units together.

Good luck and hope this has helped.


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Re: Help! I don't know where my babies came from! [Re: bae] #1411809
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Thanks so much for responding guys!! I was so nervous to post and thought maybe no one would respond.
Well I have been playing detective for awhile now and have gotten pretty far down the chain. I'm supposed to get the guys name that had them before the 2 girls today, and hopefully I'll find out the information I was looking for.

Well, to answer a few questions:
I was not planning on breeding, and I might be considering it now. But I really don't think it would be appropriate if I didn't have their background information. I do know that they hadn't had any joeys the entire year prior to me rescuing them, but I do believe that was because of poor conditions and diet. You should have seen some of the matted up accessories they came with, your tummies would turn!
I believe these little guys are classics. But my Becca has such a light colored face, and she's petite in size which is how I tell her apart from Mommy (Lumen) who has a light chin, but her forehead is grayish aside the black strip in the middle.
The set of joeys are twins (well, idk if you guys call a liter of 2 twins) and I know for sure 1 of them is a boy and the other a girl.
ALSO question about the joeys. I know everyone has difference of opinion on OOP dates, but I'd like to know at how many months OOP you would say that the babies started acting more like adults. Like, less clumsy baby like. Seeing as I don't know the development of joeys, I was just worried they were behind. And I did research this question but saw no one else asking or talking about this specific thing.
Also how old is old enough for the male twin joey to be neutered. And I know they have the 2 grooming toes, but are you really not supposed to clip them?

I think I'm done. Lol.
Thanks to anyone for reading and hopefully responding!

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Re: Help! I don't know where my babies came from! [Re: bae] #1411830
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I'll tackle as many questions as I can.

Their grooming nails are softer and thinner than their regular nails. I will take off the very rip if needed, or if they are snagging, but for the most part, they wear them down but grooming.

When to neuter the Joey not sure of age.

My two were 8 and 12 was oop when I got them. They matured by 12mos. But if you're talking about them being a bit clumsy, that should be grown out of around 7- 8 wks for sure.

Oop is when they first unlatch from momma. Babies can hang out of the pouch, but they are still locked on to momma.

Hope this helps ! Looking forward to reading about your journey!

I don't know if I could be a breeder or a rescue. I'm too soft hearted and would feel guilty letting them go...


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Re: Help! I don't know where my babies came from! [Re: bae] #1411948
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I just wanted to add a quick little update in my detective work! I found out that my babies came from somewhere in the Southern Wisconsin area. Then they were rehomed with a girl in Rockford named Ashley Schaefer, the "reptile girl" in October of 2015. They were driven by a Daniel Moore from Whitewater? Watertown? Something like that, but said they were his friends gliders, who was with him when they were dropped off around midnight. (And were traded for 2 Savannah Monitors-a reptile). Friends name is unknown and I've since been blocked by Daniel on FB who is denying any involvement.
Idk if any of this matters. But it does to me, and I just wish someone knew something. The whole thing gives me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, and a feeling that some foul play was involved. Which is scary.

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Re: Help! I don't know where my babies came from! [Re: bae] #1412472
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These are true rescues fix the males and let them live as a happy healthy family colony smile

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Re: Help! I don't know where my babies came from! [Re: bae] #1412473
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My males were fixed on Tuesday!!! But I still have one IP and a 6 week old male! LOL.

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Re: Help! I don't know where my babies came from! [Re: bae] #1412752
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Sadly, not everybody records lineage. Some people just literally do not care about inbreeding. (Example: Dakota Carney on Youtube) She has SAID AND STATED in her video that she does NOT care about lineage and "they inbreed all the time in the wild, thats normal for them." She also says that if her gliders breed (they could very well be related) she doesn't care. She will allow it.

If the person you got your gliders from has no idea who the heck she got them from, he probably doesn't know who he got them from, etc. If you even managed to figure out where they did come from, those original owners probably let their gliders breed without lineage/breed for a quick buck. They probably have little to no concern over the well being of their gliders.

It is very responsible of you to want to learn about your animals, and that shows you will take very good care of them from here on out, but ultimately, if you don't know much about them and the previous owners don't either, you are not going to find out anything else.

I would neuter your males to prevent future breeding and let them live their lives under your good care as one big happy colony. (provided they all get along okay)

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