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Does Poor Diet = No Breeding? #1411811
09/01/17 01:30 PM
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I was told that a glider that's breeding and caring for her joeys is a healthy glider that has a good diet?
That they wouldn't breed under poor conditions and an unhealthy diet. Is there truth to this?!

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Re: Does Poor Diet = No Breeding? [Re: bae] #1411820
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pregnancy will happen whether they are healthy or not. They are cage pets, the female will always go into heat.
The health of them is the absolute most important issue if someone is going to want to breed them.
Many are healthy, and things still go wrong. Reading back on some of the stories over the years can really put a dagger to your heart.
Their life depends on us. They can live longer now than when we got our first babies back in '08,
but the responsibility for the most part will always be to the owner.
Safe cage, toys , room, and food will be something that will be discussed constantly.


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Re: Does Poor Diet = No Breeding? [Re: bae] #1411827
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A female can always get pregnant even on a poor diet, but you may find that they may cannibalize them down the line or they will just die.

A poor diet will keep a glider alive, but they won't thrive.


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Re: Does Poor Diet = No Breeding? [Re: bae] #1411849
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I have a pair that have been OOP since March 29th. So I'd say they're about 5 months now, but I still feel like they act like babies/like kinda clumsier than the adults.
There's one boy and one girl. I'd say the girl more so than the boy. Has me a little worried.
I am not a long time owner. I rescued 4 gliders (2males 2females) the end of last year with little to no background information, but were told they were fixed.
So I have no experience with joeys.
I've been tracking the previous owners to find out as much information as I can, such as age and previous health concerns. And have scheduled a vet visit to have the oldest 2 males neutered.
Why are my babies still acting like babies at this age?

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A vet visit may be in order for the joeys to make sure they are healthy.

It could be something from inbreeding.

Take them along and see if the vet will check them when you go in for neuters.


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Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker and the rest of my babies over the :rbridge:

Re: Does Poor Diet = No Breeding? [Re: Feather] #1411874
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Re: Does Poor Diet = No Breeding? [Re: bae] #1411938
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Guys. I think they're wiggle babies. I just read through the threads in the Breeding Issues section, but they are all very very old. I was thinking about making a new one, because I couldn't reply to any of them, but I'm just not sure how or where or what, Lol. I'm new, and I just don't know how this sites entirely works.
I did read a few things like, they need special housing, but no one really explained that any further, at least not that I could find. Or like, a couple comments about not separating the parents I believe. Maybe because they're bonded pairs? Right now everyone is together, because they're parenting a baby, and I'm unsure how I would even separate. Of the 4 adults, I have 2 intact males. Who I've never had an issue with, but I've heard that was a thing. Out of the 5 month old twin joeys (that I believe to be wiggle babies) 1 is a male. (His bald spot is practically not a bald spot at all? I don't know at what age that would come in) And then there is 1 new joey OOP August 27th. So who would go where?! I know they co-parent, so I'm just at a loss.
And I really didn't think there were any issues, I thought they were just being babies, and that they were wiggly because they were babies. Until I was told they stop being clumsy baby like at around 2 months.

And I just want to put out there before anyone jumps to conclusions. The original 4 that I got were rescued. I, in no way paid for or sought them out. A girl I went to school with said someone had abandoned them with her and she was going to take them to a shelter, and I didn't want them to be euthanized. I did A LOT of research, for DAYS. I called a Sanctuary near me, in Southern Wisconsin for help on diets and just random question. But, I did NOT research Breeding, or Joeys, considering I was told these guys were neutered.
My 4 were believed to have been re-homed from Southern Wisconsin area (traded for reptiles actually!!) , to a 'reptile girl' in Rockford, before ending up with the girl I went to school with.

Sorry so long, and possibly replied in the wrong area. I just need HELP. And yes I know, a vet visit. I'm planning on bringing ALL 7 in when I go for the neuters, but that's not for a few weeks!!

Re: Does Poor Diet = No Breeding? [Re: bae] #1411939
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Hi,

I am probably who you talked to about diet. I have the Wisconsin Sugar Glider Sanctuary and Rescue in Southern WI.

I would get all of the boys neutered and keep them as a family unit.

I would love to see a video of what the joeys are doing that leads you to believe they are wiggle babies.

What vet are you taking the gliders to for their neuters?


Kimberley
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Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Stevie, Cho, Toothless & Maharet :bb: T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon :wfb: TY, TJ, Khayman, Light Fury & T'Pring :rtmo:
Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker and the rest of my babies over the :rbridge:

Re: Does Poor Diet = No Breeding? [Re: bae] #1411941
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Yes, maybe! I called you a few times in November of last year. You sent me pictures of your prepared food and what was left after they ate. (Which I now see is BML, correct?) These guys were on TPG when I took them in and I stuck with that, but have seriously been considering a switch, I just had a gut feeling that I needed too. I was also in need of a bigger cage, because the one they were sent in was way too small. I have since gotten a double Critter Nation. smile
And I know when I took in the 4, I wasn't planning on having more, but I will still keep them all as a family unit. The twins are just so sweet, and I couldn't imagine taking them away from Mommy.
I haven't taken any video of them yet, but I'll start working on that tonight. (You know how hard it can be to get good video especially with lighting being an issue)
And the vet closest to me is the Dogwood Pet Hospital in Loves Park. Although I didn't check Wisconsin for vets. And since I'm in Rockton, practically on the border I would consider going to one near you. I did inquire about the "laser" neutering that I've heard about. 1, because I heard it's faster heal time with less complications. And 2, I don't know the age of any of these little guys and I feel like I would run into problems cutting off an older males manhood?
Thank you so much for responding so quickly. I didn't realize I had a reply. Can I get notifications when I do?!
Thanks again, Lesa.

Re: Does Poor Diet = No Breeding? [Re: bae] #1411942
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Didn't mention that Dogwood in Loves Park does NOT offer the "laser" version of neutering. Although I don't know the price difference of the 2, I would rather take the laser.
Obviously there is a pre-op appointment and all that, but they quoted me between $130 & $140 for 1 neuter. And $60 for a well check, even tho it was $42 last year.

Also wanted to mention that the 4 adults are beautiful, in great shape, and have no signs of anything other than happy and healthy. 1 of the adult females is petite and very energetic, I definitely have a hard time clipping her nails, Lol.

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Ahhhh, sorry I keep forgetting things. I also wanted to say that every single video that was shared on the other threads of wiggle babies, ex) Hook. For some reason I was unable to view ANY of them. And I do have a photobucket account, so I have no idea why I wasn't able. But I tried over and over and over, and using different devices. It was very frustrating. So I haven't compared my babies to any visuals, just peoples explanations of it. The wobbling, not jumping and gliding, seems like their sight is different than the others. Stuff like that.

Re: Does Poor Diet = No Breeding? [Re: bae] #1411951
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I do not feed BML, I feed Critterlove Plus.

Dr. Mike at Spartan Animal Hospital uses a laser to do neuters.


Kimberley
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Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Stevie, Cho, Toothless & Maharet :bb: T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon :wfb: TY, TJ, Khayman, Light Fury & T'Pring :rtmo:
Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker and the rest of my babies over the :rbridge:


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