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birth defects ?
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11/24/06 05:18 PM
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Can anyone tell me how often birth defects happens when there is no inbreeding involved?
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11/24/06 05:26 PM
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IMO it probably depends on the health of the parents and there genes, much like any other species
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11/24/06 05:42 PM
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I have a baby boy that just came oop 5 days ago today , and he is missing his front left arm . his is not an inbreed baby . He is special however. I wanted to know that way I could possibly prevent it from happening agian. But he is still a beautiful baby boy.
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11/24/06 06:10 PM
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Actual birth defects in gliders are rare since the mother has the ability to abort the baby at any time. From time to time, mothers will injure/damage their inpouch joeys though... Some times joeys will come OOP with nipped ears, tails, toes, or in the case of your little man, an arm/leg.
My best suggestion is too keep an eye on momma and make sure she is no longer nipping him. Also, if any of her future joeys come OOP with missing limbs, I would pull her from breeding.
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11/26/06 12:49 AM
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We have a little boy with a conspicuously short tail (only a black tip) and two missing toes. I think his momma loved him a little too agressively IP. After he got used to not as much area on that little hand to stand on, you can't even tell. I'm sure your little boy doesn't even know it's missing. You are right, he is special. Not perfect is always special.
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Re: birth defects ?
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11/26/06 06:23 AM
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With something that's missing it can be hard to say, as noted. Deformed, but there, is something else. If you read the thread in this forum on deformities (my Chronos) there's a little info in there. He has an awful lot both missing AND deformed, and there's pics. I have one girl that her mama took part of her tail before she came OOP...she has all but the black tip. I agree that a missing arm is probably mom, tho there is a very small chance of birth defect-you'll know if future joeys come out that way, or with something there but not right. Then it'll be time to retire that pair from breeding if it happens, since it's impossible to say (unless you repair them with others, rebreed, and see which has the issue)-but there are so many gliders with problems now, and in need of homes that wouldn't be my avenue of choice unless you plan to keep forever any joeys...ones with problems can have a hard time finding families. HTH
Jen/Colin Commander Riker 12 16 02-10 04 12 you will be FOREVER missed Sinbad, Gabby, Baby, and Alley
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11/27/06 08:33 PM
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unfortunate but true....
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11/28/06 12:54 AM
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Are you planning on keeping this baby BBB?
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12/04/06 07:48 PM
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Yes I am keeping him. He is such a sweet baby . Other than his little arm problem he is doing great. He is having a bit of a problem without it but I know he will be allright. His eyes has just recently opened and o boy what a world.(lol)I will post photos soon . Thanks to everyone whom has responded to this post.Thanks so much . Christine
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01/02/07 07:05 PM
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Your not the only one! My first baby, is missing three toes, it just makes me love him even more!
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01/02/07 07:18 PM
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xfilefan where is the thread in the forum about birth defects you were talking about?
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01/02/07 09:03 PM
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I had a little male joey back in July that came OOP who only had a small BB eyeball in his left eye socket. The vet said not sure what took place here, if it was a birth defect or damage to the actual eyeball in the growing stages and the eyeball just never got bigger. He is almost 6 months old and living with Bourbon now and doing wonderfully. Bourbon took little Jack in to help him adjust because his stress and blindness levels being so high. She said he was so stressed out by not being able to see but one sided that is took alot out of him and he just wasn't going to trust anyone. But he is doing great now, thanks to Bourbon. I spoke with Bourbon last night and she said he has gained her trust and now rides around on her shoulder. Thanks to Bourbon he will have a beautiful and wonderful life. If anyone wants to know about "One Eyed Jack" (as Bourbon named him) just ask Bourbon. I believe all joey that are born with a special problem/handicap will over come it in time with their loving owners & or people who have the patience and understanding to care for them. One Eyed Jack also has a twin sister who came OOP with nothing wrong with her,(except she was very protective of her brother). Their mother was pulled from being a breeder and placed in a wonderful home with another female companion. They are both doing fine. Anita
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01/03/07 04:15 AM
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It's right here: http://www.sugarglider.net/ubbthreads/ub...ge=1#Post101690Apparently in this forum, you need to go all the way to the bottom, and reset to show "active topics in the last X months or year" Guess I may need to copy that before it vanishes, and my comp. issues here at work tonight aren't helping.
Jen/Colin Commander Riker 12 16 02-10 04 12 you will be FOREVER missed Sinbad, Gabby, Baby, and Alley
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01/05/07 01:53 PM
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also as far as inbreeding is concerned we don't know how far back the gliders go in genetics. as to whether or not someone has an inbreeded glider. or that it isn't already in the genes and problems showing up further down the line. many of the big breeders today started with a much smaller group of gliders, we can always look at ckb's numbers in the neutering formula, and see how quickly a set of parents can reach out and spread down the line. copied from ckb's signature 1 male glider lets say he has 4 babies a year look what happens in lets say just 5 yrs of breeding 1x4= 4 add babies and dad 4+1= 5 at end of yr 1 (5) 5x4= 20 add babies and dads 20+5=25 at end of yr 2 (25) 25x4= 100 add babies and dads 100+25=125 at end of yr 3 (125) 125x4= 500 add babies and dads 500+125=625 at end of yr 4 (625) 625x4=2500 add babies and dads 2500+625=3125 at end of yr 5 (3125) and this is only the males add those numbers to those that are line breeding or inbreeding and we have a species that is bred out of control, with no registration means from the days of yesterday, we don't know what to expect. edited to add:Actual birth defects in gliders are rare since the mother has the ability to abort the baby at any time. From time to time, mothers will injure/damage their inpouch joeys though... Some times joeys will come OOP with nipped ears, tails, toes, or in the case of your little man, an arm/leg. also keeping in mind that more and more people are saving the rejected joeys, as we don't know what internal defects there are either.
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01/05/07 02:31 PM
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I would love to hear more about little Jack and if there is anything different that he needs. I have a baby that came OOP a couple of days ago that doesn't have an eyeball, it is just flat on that side..no signs of trauma. I have only been able to check him out once, since Mama is being stingy and is keeping him tucked inside, still! just as mom is protecting him, his offspring will as well,as will his future cage mate. the downsides to that is when they are alone, they don't have that protection.. teach him the best you can that you will protect him.. and that will be the most difficult thing as anita can attest to. the trust building MAY only be able to start once he separated from them as he gets older. be patient and really understanding. just know in your heart that it isn't because he is mean or doesn't like you, he is only extremely scared. also i don't know yet if the pressure from the eye being pushed in may have something to do with his fear/pain? i do know he has come a long way with very little crabbing and biting as for special arrangements.. none needed he will adapt to his environment. one of the things i did was use a pouch protective pouch with no blnkets to hide under leaving it open about 3 inches so that he was aware of every movement and that he could see no harm was coming from those movements. also everything was removed that he could run and hide in. i forced him to face his fears.. that included me and my hands.
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01/07/07 12:38 PM
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just as mom is protecting him, his offspring will as well,as will his future cage mate. the downsides to that is when they are alone, they don't have that protection.. teach him the best you can that you will protect him.. and that will be the most difficult thing as anita can attest to. the trust building MAY only be able to start once he separated from them as he gets older. be patient and really understanding. just know in your heart that it isn't because he is mean or doesn't like you, he is only extremely scared. Excellent point! Gliders do bond and protect their loved ones. It serves them well, but can make bonding a bit more difficult for their human parents. Once these special needs kids do bond, it's usually a strong one as they come to depend on their humans. as for special arrangements.. none needed he will adapt to his environment. one of the things i did was use a pouch protective pouch with no blnkets to hide under leaving it open about 3 inches so that he was aware of every movement and that he could see no harm was coming from those movements. also everything was removed that he could run and hide in. i forced him to face his fears.. that included me and my hands. That's probably one of the most difficult things to do: forcing them to face their fears. Our human emotions very often step in and prevent us from doing exactly what these gliders need to move on to a happy life. I know that my emotions are a driving force for me...and that can be both good and bad...but we all have to learn how to put that aside and do what's best for that glider. The quicker we can look at things from each particular glider's perspective, the quicker we can help them find happiness and security. Gliders have a keen sense of illness and health. They must have it to survive in the wild. Often, they will no when one of their own is ill or has a disability and react to that. This is something we must remain aware of. Each time that we work w/a glider or a particular situation, we take more knowledge from that experience...no matter what the outcome. Sharing that knowledge is what moves the glider community to the next step in caring for, and preventing problems in, gliders.
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02/06/07 08:47 AM
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Bourbon, So glad to hear that Jack is making good progress
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good job. it feels soooo good when we win them over. so you must be proud.
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his name is great....glad to hear he's doing well
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I am new to this and have a question about the mother aborting the Joey. I have a young couple and have seen signs of a baby in the mom's pouch twice, only later to see it gone and no Joey. Why would the mom do this? Do I need to have her checked out? They have never produced a baby, but the mom seems to be in fine health. She is on the same diet as my others and they have no problems. Any ideas?
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