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Genetics questions! Another confused soul......... #474416
02/11/08 12:11 AM
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I have a long time to learn all of this, but I really want to educate myself on genetics. I have a WF 66% leu het male and a WF female paired. My female has ALOT of Mosaic in her ancestory. I believe they are both 2nd gen WF, I recieved so much info when I got them, but I need to reask the breeder about the gen. My question is, what can they produce and what is the percentage? I have both of their lineages, but this is all so confusing to me.

Thanks!

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Re: Genetics questions! Another confused soul......... [Re: GangstersMom] #474435
02/11/08 12:24 AM
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they'd produce 33% hets
if the babies are wf and both parents are 2nd gen, the joeys would be 3rd gen

Re: Genetics questions! Another confused soul......... [Re: BeckiT] #474441
02/11/08 12:34 AM
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Lol! Thank you Becki, that's the only part I knew! lol!

What are the chances of Mosaic? I have no idea how that gene works. Noelle's grandfather was a mosaic, and her great grandfather, and her great great grandmother. Nicholas, my 66% het is out of Javier, wf 100% het, and Cola, 100% het. Javier is out of Schezwan and Pai from Judie with My Little Gremlin. Cola is out of Shy Baby and Sesamie. So if I am learning right, it is impossible for them to produce a leu, but is possible for them to produce a mosaic, and they will definately produce WF. But out of how many babies?

And as far a gen. are concerned, is going up in generation better or is going down? Does that make since? lol

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Re: Genetics questions! Another confused soul......... [Re: GangstersMom] #474481
02/11/08 01:58 AM
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I believe in order to get a mosaic, one parent must show the gene ..

Cool, Nicholas is my Simon and Willow's brother grin That means he's just a 1st gen wf because Cola is not wf wink

Willow (66% wf) is paired with Wiggles (gray) Their 1st joeys last fall, I got a grey girl and a wf boy, both 33% hets. Several breeders who have met Arian (the boy from the 1st litter) think he'll prove to be a 100% het, and he's paired with a wf 100% het from a very bred out line.

They just had their 2nd joeys OOP this past Thursday. Both were wf until about 2-3 days before they came oop, then they developed the bar.

I don't think you'll get mosaic from the pairing. But, you'll get some wf (who'll be 2nd gen) and some 33% hets, very similar to my pairing.

I'm not quite sure I understand the question about going up/down with the generations dunno

Re: Genetics questions! Another confused soul......... [Re: BeckiT] #474494
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It depends on how you look at the percentages. Going down in number means they have less of a chance of producing that gene. But people are starting to breed with lower percentages now to breed out.

From what I understand unless your glider is a mosaic it will not produce a mosaic. It's like the WF gene. you only need one to produce it but it must express it.

Two get a Leu you need both parents to carry that gene to produce not just one.

I'm still learning about colors too, so if I am wrong some one correct me smile

Here's a helpful link HERE


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Re: Genetics questions! Another confused soul......... [Re: GliderLove] #474502
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OK, I just asked Lynsie, and she said there are no mosaic hets (which is basically what your girl would be considered) - to produce a mosaic, one parent has to be one wink

Re: Genetics questions! Another confused soul......... [Re: BeckiT] #474679
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Thanks you so much! That was all very helpful! And you are right Becki, he is a 1st generation. So is Noelle. And that is so cool that you have Nicholas's brothers! He is such a doll, he is crabby in his pouch, but it's all talk! lol! I think I have the basics straight now.

No mosaics
No leus
Definatley WF's
lol!
So basically, I would technically be breeding out the line as well, right?

Since Noelle does not carry the leu gene and Nicholas does, their babies will be 33% het, and if I pair a higher percentage het with one of them, their offspring could produce leu. Yeah! I think I'm getting it! lol!


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Re: Genetics questions! Another confused soul......... [Re: GangstersMom] #474683
02/11/08 12:53 PM
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I think I understand what you're saying as far as going up/down with the "generation" label.

Later generations are more sought-after. I notice that many 1st-gen colored gliders (commonly WF's) are cheaper than 2nd-gen and 3rd-gen.

Re: Genetics questions! Another confused soul......... [Re: GangstersMom] #474689
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brother and sister wink they were OOP 12/14/06.. By pairing a lessor het (like one of the 33% joeys) to a 100% het or a leu, yes, you're breeding out the line. I have Willow's 1st boy Arian (wf 33% het) paired with Amira (wf 100% het) grin If he proves out to carry the gene, then yes, they can produce leu wink

Re: Genetics questions! Another confused soul......... [Re: BeckiT] #474714
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oops! I didnt mean to offend your little girl! lol!
And yes Kara, that is what I was talking about with the generations. THank you for clarifying!

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