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My glider's belly is filling with fluid #536205
04/24/08 09:37 PM
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I don't know what to do. I have an appointment with the vet tomorrow at 11AM.

Let me tell you the history. My Glider, Victoria, is about 11 years old. About a year ago, I found a lump on her chest/abdomen area. It was about an inch long and about half an inch wide, HUGE. I was very scared. I took her to the vet and had it removed. The vet did pathology on the mass that she removed and said that it was a benign lipoma (tumor made of fatty tissue). Victoria recovered well and had been normal ever since.

Until now, now her belly is filling up with some kind of fluid. It was subtle at first and I didn't really know if it was happening for sure. About a week ago I noticed that her belly seemed full. I started taking her with me to work again because my mother said that she wasn't eating as well as usual. Now, I'm sure that there is a major problem.

Her belly is quite big and she isn't nearly as spunky as normal. She does eat but she eats smaller amounts more often now, and she doesn't eat her BML (leadbeater's) at all anymore. She does go poo and pee still, but there is a very strange odor - almost smells like beer? Her poo seems smaller and has the same horrible odor.

I think that it may be that they were wrong about the tumor before and it was cancer. Maybe now what I'm seeing is cancer that has spread to her liver. I have read some of the posts on here about other causes. But I would really like some advise. I'm very scared and upset - she is my sweet lil girl.

Any advise that you think may be helpful would be very appreciated

Thanks,
Holley
1 glider (Victoria - 11 years old)

Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: Anonymous] #536213
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Honey, other than getting to a vet RIGHT NOW and saying prayers that you can do this...I don't know what else to say.

Is there any way that you can find someone TONIGHT to help her? Or at the VERY WORST be there when the vet's office opens tomorrow morning? I'm verry worried for Victoria right now.


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: minkasmom] #536237
04/24/08 10:43 PM
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Please take her to an emergency vet tonight. Maybe they can call your regular vet for a consult? It sounds very serious.

Unfortunately, you won't get medical advice here - the best anyone can tell you is keep her warm, keep her hydrated, and seek vet help ASAP.


Alden
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and very many great gliders!

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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: ValkyrieMome] #536251
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I'm so sorry to hear about this development with Victoria. I agree on the advice to get her to a vet tonight. With her belly so large, whatever is in there could be pressing against other organs and causing pain and distress. Since we don't know what it is, we also don't know how quickly it can progress. Every moment counts. worried

Please keep us posted.


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: ValkyrieMome] #536252
04/24/08 11:14 PM
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To be honest I'm impressed that she did so well with the first surgery hug2 Usually from what I've read invasive surgeries like that on gliders usually don't work out so well. It sounds like you really care for your glider and making sure she is healthy. But I agree, a symptom like abdominal fluids is not a good one and she needs to see a vet ASAP. I wish you the best of luck with your Victoria hug2

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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: ] #536301
04/25/08 01:16 AM
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This is Holley again,

I thank you for all of your input. The problem is the only 24 hour vet in Tampa doesn't have a sugar glider vet on call.
I called them again just now and they told me that the vet that I have an appointment with may be there tomorrow morning as soon as 8am but they aren't sure.

I decided to go to bed now and wake up to check on her periodically. I will get up early and take her there before the vet gets there in the morning and wait for her, I think I can get in before her first appointment.

I fed her just now and she was very excited to get the mealies & corn. She seems fine except for having a big belly and not running around as much.

Thanks for everything, I will let you know how things go at the vet tomorrow.

Holley
1 glider (Victoria - 11 years old)

Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: Anonymous] #536353
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Sending prayers out for this little girl. Please update us when you can.


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: Anonymous] #536355
04/25/08 07:28 AM
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hug2 I hope everything goes well.... and register.. so you can keep us posted through this whole ordeal...

Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: ] #536497
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Holley, it sounds like ascites from liver failure. An emergency vet won't do you any good, your regular vet is where to go. Since the fluid didn't appear instantanously, it came in over time, you have a little time. But just a little. She needs to make the appointment you have.

Please let us know what the vet says.


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: USMom] #536500
04/25/08 11:25 AM
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Please let us know what happened at the vets today. My thoughts and prayers to you and your little one.


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: USMom] #536502
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I hope that no news is good news in this case.


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: MatchMakerMagic] #536519
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sending prayers your way,,,, hope all is well


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: MatchMakerMagic] #536527
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Until a diagnosis is given, it is difficult to help beyond basic emergency care (warmth/fluids). Some conditions can carry the same symptoms, yet have entirely different treatments-which is why in a lot of cases it's dangerous to offer too much-if you guess wrong, you can kill someone's glider. However, there is a lot of combined experience here. If your vet can diagnose, or at least come up with an "educated guess", then we (those experienced in cases that match yours) can offer ideas based on experience within the diagnosis or range.

11 is a lot of years for a glider. Some few do make it that long-a lot don't. Your little one must be very loved and cared for to reach such an age-and I'm sure she knows it. Please update what the vet says when you get a chance.


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: Xfilefan] #536574
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where is an update..........................praying.......


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: Cora] #536583
04/25/08 01:41 PM
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yes please update us.... we are all super worried!!

Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: ] #536588
04/25/08 01:51 PM
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Keep checking back, too. Since this person was not registered, perhaps she doesn't understand how we are about suggies we are worried about!

Please come back and let us know!!


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and very many great gliders!

(plus the 2 skin kids)
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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: ValkyrieMome] #536639
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Hoping to hear good news! Hugs to you and your girl, Holley hug2


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: sugarlope] #536903
04/25/08 08:48 PM
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I hope Victoria wil be ok! Still sending hugs and prayers.


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: Sherri] #537007
04/25/08 11:18 PM
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Hey guys, sorry I didn't write back sooner. I wasn't a registered memeber so it wouldn't let me post until I registered and I couldn't do that from my internet phone. This is really the first chance that I have had back at my home computer. Sorry to worry everyone so much.

First, thanks for all of your kind wishes and prayers.

Ok, here is what I know so far. They took her in to do the ultrasound on her belly and they didn't have to shave her belly (odd?) In order to do that they needed to put her under anesthesia but she wasn't handling the anesthesia very well, she went from awake to not breathing to awake again. It was very hard to get her to sleep and still have her breathing ok. They decided that they weren't going to get time to do a thourough look at her belly without her being more asleep. They decided that they would take some fluid from her belly and then do cytology testing on it and take a small blood sample then stop. Whole process took less than 20 mins.

They took 2.5mL (half of a teaspoon) of fluid from the belly and found that it had blood in it. Her vein blood sample showed that she was slightly anemic Hematocrit of 30 instead of the more normal 35 (hematocrit is a percentage of the blood that is made up of red blood cells-the oxygen carrying cells of the blood). They also took the Hematocrit of the fluid in her belly -which was 7. That is good news because that means that even though she has blood in her belly it is not straight blood. There is a lot of other fluid mixed with it.

Now the problem will be finding out where all this other fluid is coming from and what is/was bleeding. The cytology report will be ready by Monday...I promise to post when I know more. They are thinking of several possiblities that it could be. One obvious answer is some type of cancer, liver or kidney or something. The blood would be from parts of the cancer rupturing and bleeding a small amount. Another possiblity is spleen rupture, caused by either trauma or disease.

If it is cancer, there aren't many good options besides lots of love and supportive care. Maybe she could take Lasix (water pill to drain some fluid) but it would have minimal effect. Depending on how that went she could be ok for a little while, it is hard to say. The other possiblity is that if her spleen was hurt it could clot on it's own and stop bleeding. In which case the fluid in her belly would slowly readsorb and she could be ok.

As I write this she is sitting on my shoulder, very quitely. She has been very sleepy today. Had a few mealies earlier and just had some blueberry yogurt (her fav flavor). I'm so worried about her.

My vet visit today cost $541, I would pay SO MUCH MORE if they could just make her well. She is my only pet - since I only have 1 glider - I have been very close to her. It breaks my heart to have to face the fact that she won't always be with me. My heart goes out to all the people on this site that have already dealt with the pain of losing there sweet suggies.

I know more sadness is coming and I am going to do everything I can to be sure that she feels completely loved and isn't in any pain. I love her so much.

Again, thanks for all the kind words - you guys really know what I'm going through and that brings me comfort.

Holley
1 glider - Victoria (11 years old)

Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: ] #537013
04/25/08 11:29 PM
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awww holley im soo sorry cry ... i will be praying for you 2 in hopes everything will turn out ok... angel

Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: ] #537022
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Oh, I am praying for your sweet Victoria too! hug2 I really hope they can find a treatment that can ease her of these ailaments. She is so loved, your a wonderful suggie mama!


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: GliderLove] #537029
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I'm sending lots of hug2 hug2 and prayers for you and your Victoria.


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: GliderLove] #537030
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hug2 My heart aches for you and for your sweet little Victoria. I wished there was more that I can say or do to ease some of your sadness. Please know, that we are here for you Holley, and will be sending many prayers out for Victoria.
Much love, light, and blessings.....
hug2

Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: LSardou] #537034
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i would try giving her some baby food chicken if she isnt eating her protein along with yogurt. also if you can get her some wombaroo high protein supplement and mix it in her yogurt this would give her all the protein she needs.

Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: GliderLove] #537036
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Holley, your love just permeates your post. heart Sending prayers for good news next week. Stay strong! hug2


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: Usha77] #537037
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Thanks so much for updating. Yes many of us know the pain of losing a glider but not one I have had for 11 years....WOW!!!! That is truly amazing.


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: Cora] #537086
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It gives me goosebumps thinking what all sweet Victoria has had to go through and may still have to go through. I will be praying for you and Victoria on hopefully good news monday. She is well loved and we hope to hear more about how things are going. We would also love to see pics of your beloved Victoria as well and hear more about her.


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My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814


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Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: Sherri] #537097
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cry I am so terribly sorry you have to suffer through this!! my heart aches for you both... hug2 You & your beloved suggie are in my prayers.. angel

Re: My glider's belly is filling with fluid [Re: ] #537100
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praying for you!!! hug2 thank you for keeping us updated. hug2


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Holley:

Praying they can find an answer and it will be the lesser of two evils. Could they possibly drain more of the fluid, even just to make her more comfortable? I wonder if having all that fluid is part of the reason she had such a tough time being put under? (Pressure on her heart and lungs from the fluid.) My heart goes out to you. I look at mine every day and know one day I will lose them and it just tears me up. I recently almost lost my Petey and that was awful. Please know you have my thoughts and prayers and let us know when you can what the report shows and how she is doing. God bless.


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