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My very first #624744
08/30/08 01:05 PM
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This really sucks...I have never even had a sick glider and all of a sudden, here I am posting here...

I lost Bug last night. She just turned two last month. She was always extremely petite and it really always bothered me.

We Did a full blood panel and xrays either the end of May, beginning of June, I'll have to look. Every thing was fine. Perfectly normal.
I voiced my concern about her size and Tim told me that I was just being paranoid because I wasnt used to small gliders.

She ate like there was no tomorrow, her and Snuggle NEVER had any issues over food, and she was always the first one up to eat.

Shawna was at my home a couple weeks ago, and I told her then I was concerned about Bug, she was just so small and frail looking. I didnt allow her to breed anymore after Tret was born, because of my concern for her. She got avacado mixture nightly to try to put weight on her...

I took her in for a necropsy today. It really is MUCH different standing there watching your own glider than someone elses. Not an easy thing to do, but I HAD to watch...I had to see what happened...what did I do or better yet, what did I not do...what didnt I catch?? All the normal questions that go through ones mind...

Tim said this was the first necropsy he will have done on a glider that was fed HPW. He has done them on many many others, all on different diets so he was interested to see what would show.

PERFECT liver, heart looked good, stomach was full, intestines were doing their job. He said it was the best looking glider he ever seen and has NO IDEA from looking at her what could have happened. We sent off lots of tissues and organs for a full blown histopath to see if it could have been a genetic thing, or something going on with the brain.

Her death is a complete mystery. Even if I would have taken her back in, nothing at all would have shown up...I am thinking it had to be genetic possibly??

Anyone else have any ideas?


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Re: My very first [Re: Srlb] #624764
08/30/08 01:27 PM
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I'm sooo sorry for your loss.... I'm sorry I have no other suggestions as to what may have taken her. Hopefully the pathology report will be able to shed some light.


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Re: My very first [Re: Adri] #624815
08/30/08 03:08 PM
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I am sorry for your loss, may your memories of little Bug comfort you in the days to come.

Deepest Sympathy,


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Re: My very first [Re: Feather] #624910
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Peggy, Im so sorry to hear this! I cant imagine howyou must feel right now! I love ya and know that you are in my thoughts. Let us know what you find out from the other tests! hug2 hug2 hug2

Re: My very first [Re: Srlb] #624954
08/30/08 05:40 PM
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Peggy, I am so terribly sorry for your loss. I would think genetic, based on all that seen on necropsy. My prayers are with you tonight. Godspeed little one....


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Re: My very first [Re: pappy1264] #624969
08/30/08 06:01 PM
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hug2 Peggy, I'm so sorry about the loss of your little Bug. Sometimes we just will never understand or know the laws of nature. Bug was loved and blessed with a wonderful mommy.
Godspeed sweet little one...

Did Dr. T check her heart tissue?
gangel

Re: My very first [Re: LSardou] #625004
08/30/08 06:27 PM
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Thank you all for your words and support.

Linda, yes, heart was checked out, and also sent out to the pathologist along with many other tissues and organs.


Peggy
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Re: My very first [Re: Srlb] #625021
08/30/08 06:57 PM
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Peggy, I'm wondering if she had thrown a clot...since all the organs thus far are showing negative, it could be something to consider. hug2

Re: My very first [Re: LSardou] #625024
08/30/08 07:02 PM
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I'm so sorry Peggy hug2

Re: My very first [Re: BeckiT] #625042
08/30/08 07:41 PM
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I'm sorry. hug2

Re: My very first [Re: BeckiT] #625044
08/30/08 07:45 PM
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OMG! Peggy I feel so badly for you! I will keep you and Bug in my thoughts.


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Re: My very first [Re: ] #625048
08/30/08 07:48 PM
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Oh Peggy,
I am so sorry to hear of your loss. Sending healing prayers your way. hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2

Rest in Peace little Bugs....

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Re: My very first [Re: SweetGliders] #625216
08/30/08 11:31 PM
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Peggy, I am very sorry to hear of Bug.

I, too, lost a glider a little while ago. I took his body to the vet and the vet could not find anything wrong with him, other than the fact that he died. Hot Cocoa was fed HPW as well. His organs looked perfectly healthy and there wasn't anything peculiar about them.

Many hugs are sent your way, Peggy! hug2hug2


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08/31/08 01:22 AM
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Peggy...I am so sorry for your loss hug2

Re: My very first [Re: ] #625300
08/31/08 03:09 AM
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Peggy I am very sorry that you lost Bug. Please know we are here for you if you need anything.
hug2


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Re: My very first [Re: BCChins] #625310
08/31/08 04:28 AM
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I'm so sorry Peggy. hug2 Small gliders always make me nervous too, even when everyone tells me they are ok, I worry they just have less in reserve if something happens. She couldn't have had a better mommy looking out for her and she felt the love you had for her every second, so she had a wonderful life. I am sorry that you didn't have more time together, there is never enough. hug2


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Re: My very first [Re: sugarlope] #625599
08/31/08 03:23 PM
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Peggy I am so sorry about Bug. She sounds like Sprite did. Starving to death/eating like a piggy. I pray you will get something back in the lab reports. Not knowing just plain stinks. I'd like to tell you it will get better but I have not reached that point and hearing about Bug is a set back for me too. I hope you at least have Bug to put her to rest like she deserves to help bring closure. Unless you have been there you just can't know the pain. I am sorry you now know THAT pain. HUGS, Tears, love to you and to Bug.


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Re: My very first [Re: cyndiekb] #625795
08/31/08 08:51 PM
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I'm so sorry Peggy hug2 hug2

Re: My very first [Re: Lynsie] #626042
09/01/08 07:40 AM
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Peggy, I'm very sorry for your loss.


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Re: My very first [Re: Srlb] #626459
09/01/08 08:23 PM
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Oh Peggy that is so sad. I am so sorry to read of your loss of Bug.

My deepest sympathies....

Pat


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Re: My very first [Re: ozzi] #626664
09/02/08 05:57 AM
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Peggy, I'm so very sorry cry It's so sad but true that losing a glider is incredibly difficult - especially when there are no concrete answers as to why frown Hopefully the pathology tests will come up with an answer for you. (I have a tiny glider, too - my little Luna. I always have worries in the back of my mind because she's so very tiny worried )
Again, I'm so very sorry about Bug hug2 hug2 hug2


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Re: My very first [Re: sugarglidersuz] #626787
09/02/08 11:22 AM
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I'm so sorry Peggy. hug2


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Re: My very first [Re: kthiessen] #626814
09/02/08 12:10 PM
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Aw, hugs hug2 , Peggy. I don't have anything except did they rule out something like a broken neck/back from maybe a sudden fall? It's all I can think of that I didn't see mentioned. frown


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Re: My very first [Re: Xfilefan] #627179
09/02/08 10:13 PM
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Jen, no trauma. She has been a tiny glider for the past few months, never was a big glider, but had lost some weight. That is why Peggy had her in several times for full blood work and all kinds of stuff, they never found anything wrong. And.. she ate and ate and ate, she ate well and everything came out well, she just didn't gain weight, even with extra fattening foods and such. But no trauma, just a slow decline, then all of a sudden it was rapid.


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Re: My very first [Re: queenduck] #627193
09/02/08 10:28 PM
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Hey P...I forgot to send you one of these hug2 .

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Re: My very first [Re: Karin] #627335
09/03/08 01:17 AM
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One other thing that occurred-Riker didn't eat hardly at all-but was a tub (hypothyroidism-or no activity)...

However, on the other end of the scale would be hyperthyroidism-or constant eating and no gain, which could also stunt development/growth in a young glider one could think....? Would that be worth looking into? I've been told in gliders that the thyroid itself is about the size of a pinhead-extremely tiny, and too small to get an ultrasound of, though magnification of something like an MRI might be possible- however, a blood panel would do if it's feasible at this point. I'm not sure which they run for that one, or all of them, Riker and Mareki had the T4 panel. Just a thought-don't know if it would be at all possible from a necropsy standpoint, but it could explain the symptoms she had. dunno Since the glider isn't needing it, though, it would also be possible to remove and look microscopically-but I have no idea if that would have any value or not-looking at it may have nothing to do with function.

Last edited by Xfilefan; 09/03/08 01:19 AM.

Jen/Colin :bb: Commander Riker 12 16 02-10 04 12 you will be FOREVER missed :wfb: Sinbad, :wfb: Gabby, :grey: Baby, and :grey: Alley
Re: My very first [Re: Xfilefan] #627391
09/03/08 06:51 AM
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Alicia, thanks for seeing this and answering Jen in that first one.

Jen as far as the second post goes, yes, we also thought of that. Tristan is sending off many things to pathology to see what may come back.

Blood work was done, not too long ago, and it all came back fine. That is why this is so frustrating.


Peggy
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Re: My very first [Re: Srlb] #627601
09/03/08 02:30 PM
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Blood work was done, not too long ago, and it all came back fine. That is why this is so frustrating.


But what tests were done? We had to do the T4 panel specifically, no ohers-everything else came back normal on Riker, too-and barely enough blood was taken to run it. He was close to 170 grams when blood was drawn. It is not something run routinely in a panel.


Jen/Colin :bb: Commander Riker 12 16 02-10 04 12 you will be FOREVER missed :wfb: Sinbad, :wfb: Gabby, :grey: Baby, and :grey: Alley
Re: My very first [Re: Xfilefan] #627638
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hug2

Sending best wishes. I'm so sorry for what you're going through. sounds like you were the best suggie mamma you couldn've been and then some! Hopefully you can get to the bottom of this.

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Peggy, I am so very sorry.


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