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(Toxic cage thread) Update on recall -PART THREE #1122223
06/01/11 09:31 AM
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1122275
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Hoping this doesn't get lost in the thread again.

Originally Posted By: GliderNursery
Are those that are in charge of the testing in contact with the manufacturers?


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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1122289
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Shelly, they aren't going to answer you. I've seen you ask that several times now.


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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1122435
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Does anyone have any links to any confirmed cases of gliders that are being kept in the Klubertanz wire cages being affected by this?

I telephone'd Klubertanz and was told that as far as they knew, there was no recall on any of the wire they sell. I think I'm in the clear, as I cannot locate any specific case of Klubertanz wire causing illness to a glider. But, I want to be SURE.

I have a powder coated cage where my gliders will be kept until I can be certain that Klubertanz wire is safe. These symptoms are terrifying, and I'm not taking any chances.

Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: pumpkin] #1122447
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Originally Posted By: pumpkin
Does anyone have any links to any confirmed cases of gliders that are being kept in the Klubertanz wire cages being affected by this?

I telephone'd Klubertanz and was told that as far as they knew, there was no recall on any of the wire they sell. I think I'm in the clear, as I cannot locate any specific case of Klubertanz wire causing illness to a glider. But, I want to be SURE.

I have a powder coated cage where my gliders will be kept until I can be certain that Klubertanz wire is safe. These symptoms are terrifying, and I'm not taking any chances.


This is exactly WHY the manufacturer of the alleged bad wire need to be made public.

Sorry, I can't answer that for you. Did you get your cage after October 2010?
It's a good thing that you have a spare cage.


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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Dancing] #1122449
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
Shelly, they aren't going to answer you. I've seen you ask that several times now.


I am starting to feel ignored.


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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: GliderNursery] #1122576
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Originally Posted By: GliderNursery

Sorry, I can't answer that for you. Did you get your cage after October 2010?


I purchased the wire in the beginning of 2011. Due to a wrist injury, my boyfriend and I never finished building the cage. My gliders have never come in direct contact with the wire, although it has been sitting in a corner right next to their current cage for at least four months.

I do hope someone discovers the cause of this mysterious illness soon. All I want is to be certain my gliders are not in danger.

Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: pumpkin] #1122586
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Originally Posted By: pumpkin
Does anyone have any links to any confirmed cases of gliders that are being kept in the Klubertanz wire cages being affected by this?

I telephone'd Klubertanz and was told that as far as they knew, there was no recall on any of the wire they sell. I think I'm in the clear, as I cannot locate any specific case of Klubertanz wire causing illness to a glider. But, I want to be SURE.

I have a powder coated cage where my gliders will be kept until I can be certain that Klubertanz wire is safe. These symptoms are terrifying, and I'm not taking any chances.


I don't have a direct answer, put I have a data point. We purchased cage panels from Klubertanz in December from which I constructed our current cage. Our four gliders have been living in in it for more than six months without any ill effects.


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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1122653
06/02/11 02:32 AM
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I telephone'd Klubertanz and was told that as far as they knew, there was no recall on any of the wire they sell.


Based on the limited info we are being given, we don't know WHICH manufacture has the bad wire and we don't even know IF the manufacture has been made aware of the issue. Martins, Klubertanz and Pocket Pets do not manufacture the wire they use/sell.


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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: GliderNursery] #1123213
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Originally Posted By: GliderNursery
Originally Posted By: Dancing
Shelly, they aren't going to answer you. I've seen you ask that several times now.


I am starting to feel ignored.


I'm not ignoring you. I just don't have an answer for you. roflmao hug2

Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1123489
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1124347
06/05/11 05:26 PM
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Hi,

I have a PVC coated cage that I purchased from Martin's Cages it is the model LSG-550 and my babies have been in it since I brought them home in March. It has been a battle since the beginning, because the breeder I bought them from sold them to me when they weren't even weened. I am very confused at this point and I'm unsure if maybe the cage could have had something to do with them almost dying the first couple of weeks when I brought them home? Or a combination of the bad breeder and the cage toxin? My Gliders are not in the best condition today, lately they have been acting strange slumped over in the corner and not wanting to run on their wheel. Now I was thinking maybe it is something I am feeding them? But it can't be because I feed them the BML diet to the T. Along with balanced foods for their CA/PH ratios. Also I clean their cage often and toys/pouches. Well I jumped on my email today and received an email from Martin's stating they wanted me to remove my babies from the cage and they will be sending me a replacement when they figure out the issue, so I emailed them explaining my issue and hope for a timely response. In the mean time I am going to get a temporary cage because I honestly feel this may be the real issue with why my babies seem sick all the time. Now I feel horrible that I made them sit in this toxic cage for 2 months, thank goodness they are with me most of the day and a night when they are out playing with me. Maybe that is another reason why they are still alive because they aren't even in their cage much? Obviously the manufacturers know their is an issue otherwise they wouldn't be offering a replacement/ have taken the cages off the website and are no longer selling them. Manufacturers do not do this unless they know their is a serious issue. Hope this post helps. I know all of your posts have helped me. My babies will not be going in that cage ever again!

Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1124362
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Glad the babies are out of the cage, remember to push fluids, watery fruits to flush those toxins out asap.

Keep us updated on your babies!


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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1124393
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Please keep us updated, we definitely worry

Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1124765
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Does anyone have a survivor? My sick one has been out of the 'evil' cage for 2 weeks now, and she is still weak. She seems to have trouble with her balance and coordination. The shaking stopped almost right away, and she is grooming herself again which is a good sign. She is eating/drinking well (I feed her by hand 2x a day to be SURE) and was even up a few gms her last vet visit. The vet ran blood tests the last time she was in, and it showed that her organ function looks good. I am getting nervous that she has permanent neurological damage at this point though.

Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1124771
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I have 3 survivors out of 5. I hate to say this but she may never be the way she was. One is 95%/one who is 85% normal and one who is 75% normal. He will be able to live the way he is but unfortunately he will never be able to have a wheel and will live the life of a Special Glider who can not use his back end the way he did before.

I can only tell you to give her time and keep pushing her to eat good healthy foods. Give some out of cage time to work those leg muscles but make sure the area is safe from falls.


Private message me if you need to talk.

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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1124792
06/06/11 01:54 PM
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I also have a sugar glider who is surviving and improving - he began the tremors on 5/20. I immediately took him to the vet who told me about the concern with the cages - I had also the day before received the replacement cage email from PP.

We removed both gliders (the other has shown no symptoms)and started a regiment of injections to remove the metals from his system and flush his system with fluids. The tremors are minimal, but his coordination is still not great - although it is better and he can make the wheel go around once. He even jumped a short distance from one person to another.

Has anyone received their replacement cage from PP and begun using it? I assembled it last night but am still a little nervous about putting them in it.

Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1125269
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I have gotten my replacement cage from PP, but still don't have an animal to put in it, as my baby died on may 14th. It's all assembled and set up with toys, just no one to play with them. When I had both cages, I noticed a sure difference in smell between the two. The old one (which was cleaned frequently before and once after her death) had a very distinct chemical smell and the new one smells kinda like wood chips or saw dust to me. Has anyone else noticed this?

Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1125335
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so sorry to read abt. your little cocoa.

take care,
nancy in detroit


regards,
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1125348
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I am so sorry about Cocoa. It is great that you have come on here even after little Cocoa passed to help try to solve this horrible problem


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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1125706
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Thank you so much, I am very happy to have found this site. It is very comforting to know I am not alone and have so much support and help if I need it!!
Thank you everyone for being so wonderful!!!!
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1126020
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Thanks BCChins and VAGliders, I will just keep doing what I have been, and hopefully she will come around.

Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: ] #1126182
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Originally Posted By: hermes
Thanks BCChins and VAGliders, I will just keep doing what I have been, and hopefully she will come around.


I also have a survivor and she is almost 100% recovered. So, have faith and keep up with the treatment your vet advises.
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1126290
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Those of you who have been treating with luck... what has been working?

We're going to the vet tomorrow for this issue (she wasn't in today) so I want to know what I should ask for, and what I should tell her.

I already know plenty of water, and I've been doing that. I also picked up some watermelon, too.


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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1126429
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Wait...Jen..you're having issues from the cage????

If so...push fluids...over and over...as much as possible to flush the toxins out! I know you're doing this...just sayin'. frown

Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1126733
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Yep, Cici too. frown I thinking since she's the youngest her immune system wasn't the best yet, and that's why she is the only one with problems. We ordered a new cage already.. should be here soon.. hopefully.

She's getting plenty of water! I'm not forcing it, but I'm offering her the water bottle several times a day, and she's drinking. She tent tests just fine, so at least I know she isn't dehydrated. She's getting skinny though, so last night they got avocado and watermelon in addition to their usual fruits/veggies. I made sure she ate some of that, too.

We go in about two hours. Kind of a shame no one else replied. frown

From reading I seen antibiotics and vitamin B shots.


-Jen

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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1126769
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i wish somebody had answered also as i am taking my 3 in.
vanilla, coco and shadow. coco and shadow started showing
signs last night. their appt. is for 4:00.
i made the appt. for vanilla but last night i saw shadow
and coco were not up to par and have the symptoms i have been reading abt. so i am bringing them all in.

i had bought a large tower cage from exoticnutrition and thought i was safe. but i got an email from them telling me my cage and others are being recalled and to take the gliders out of this cage. they said to contact martins as they are the ones that supply to exoticnutrition and other companys.
i emailed martins as instructed and they are sending me a
new powder coated cage when they come in.

i will also be sending a copy of the paid receipt from the vets today to martins as i feel they are responsible for
my sick babies. i am going to ask for reimbursement of all
the vet. charges do to this terrible situation that is going on.

regards,
nancy in detroit
p.s. the cages from exoticnutrition that were recalled so far are:castle cage, tower cage, mansion cage and travel cage. if your gliders are still in one of these cages i advise you to get them out. my gliders were in the tower cage since feb. and last night started showing signs.


regards,
nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: hwh4ev] #1126780
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Originally Posted By: hwh4ev

p.s. the cages from exoticnutrition that were recalled so far are:castle cage, tower cage, mansion cage and travel cage. if your gliders are still in one of these cages i advise you to get them out. my gliders were in the tower cage since feb. and last night started showing signs.


Just want to emphasize this Nancy as it kind of gets lost at the bottom of your post. thumb

Jen and Nancy I am so sorry that you have to deal with this. hug2 Please keep us posted.


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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1126788
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I will, Liezel. I have about 30-45 minutes before I have to leave.

My vet wanted info, so I printed up the email I got from Martins, this post: http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/...thy#Post1109408 also this vet's phone number, Dr. Tristan's phone number, and a conversation my husband relayed to me when he talked to Martin's.

I can't think of anything else to include. frown

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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE [Re: Gizmogirl] #1126799
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I've been looking for information for you Jen, maybe this will also be helpful.

Cage toxicity vets contact details for vet phone consultation?


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