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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
[Re: Gizmogirl]
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06/12/11 05:54 PM
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Hmmm, when I took my pair in, one was perfectly healthy, the other trembling and bobbing her head, and barely eating. She received a shot of D3 and some subq fluids in the office and I was sent home with orders to subq every 12 hours and oral calcium and an antibiotic every 12 as well. As of 10am when I left for work, my Giz was doing well in her hospital cage. She ate well last night so hopefully when I get out in a few hours we will continue to do well...
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/15/11 10:52 AM
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I have a survivor. My little girl (from PP unfortunately)did not seem to be thriving. She stopped growing and started looking like maybe her diet was not adequate for her (which i later learned it wasn't). And then the tremors started. Once she started actually showing symptoms her health deteriorated Very Very quickly. I didn't know what to do, since she is my first glider, so I just pushed fluids, fed her very soft concentrated foods, and kept her warm, the same as I would with other types of animals. I took her to the vet on the second day she was sick and he thought she had HLP, so he gave her calcium (dropps). I gave her drops every day, and she went to stay with my boyfriend and his glider. I did this in case she was lonely and that was one of the things that was making her sick. I am so glad I did this, because the end result was that she was put into another cage. This was about 1.5 months ago. Peanut went from 27grams at her sickest to almost 60 as of yesterday. She has NO weakness in her hind end anymore, and she is back to her old antics, with no shaking. So physically and neurologically I would give her a 100% I am so sorry that some of you guys have lost your babies to this. :-(
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/16/11 10:58 PM
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Crystalg820
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Have any of the replacement cages caused problems??? I got the replacement cage from PP last Wednesday CoCo amd Delilah have been in that cage since that time and Delilah is still very wobbly and her coordination is awful. I am on my second round of meds with her at this point, and although she is definetly feeling better (she is doing her best to run around and glide...initially all she wanted to do was sleep and wouldn't eat, now she is) I am wondering about the symptoms she is continuing to have, she is very "jerky" with her movements?? Just want to make sure that she is ok< any advice is very appreciated!
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
[Re: Gizmogirl]
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06/16/11 11:11 PM
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I will be honest with you about how I feel about this. There is no way I'd put my monkeys back in a pvc cage right now. While I respect (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets for turning around and sending out replacement cages, I have a really hard time, given the fact that they still don't know what's causing the problems, thinking about using another cage of the same material. How do we know it's not affected, as well? So...me personally? I'd have them in something totally different.
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/16/11 11:27 PM
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I will be stopping at a petsmart or somewhere tomorrow, I need to find something big enough for them that is not going to make them sick or put them in danger. Any suggestions on where I can get a cage (at a store, so I can move them asap) that is ok for them. These are my first babies and I am still learning the ins and outs
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/16/11 11:57 PM
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They do like to chew....thank you so much, I will be cage shopping tomorrow
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
[Re: Gizmogirl]
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06/17/11 01:34 PM
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Also, if you get a cage that is a bit on the small side from Petco (or where ever) it'd be okay for a few days until a bigger cage got to your home. Just as long as they aren't in a smaller cage for any extended period of time (I wouldn't leave them in longer than shipping time, IMO) they should be fine. I had to shove my quad in a dinky cage for a week until my new cage got here.
So if you can't find something big enough at a local store, don't stress too much! But definitely get another cage to put them in ASAP, even if it is, like I said, smaller. It'll be okay for a little while.
What meds do they have your girl on?
My Cici is still very uncoordinated, especially in her hind end, and is jerky with her movements too. I have my doubts that she'll ever get back to 100%, but I'm very happy that she's hanging in there and doing okay, everything considered.
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
[Re: fox0r]
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06/17/11 03:53 PM
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She is on CAEDTA, 2 times a day. i question whether or not she will back to 100% too. Hopefully they are both ok soon
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
[Re: DCMuffin]
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06/18/11 11:26 AM
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So sorry to hear of this & certainly hope the cause is found & corrected asap! My very best to those glider's as well as their caretakers all animals suffering from this nightmare! Wished for others to have a peek into this info even though it is a few years old - quite informative - Happy Birdy A few quotes ..... A word to the wise --- if you have a powder coated painted cage and it is not stainless Steel -- then get it tested. It does not make any difference if you have a China made cage, European made cage or any made cage… if it is painted then get it tested. Your bird’s life is at stake A bird is NOT a human. A bird's system cannot tolerate ANY lead. So - standards within the avian community are set by the consumer as - ZERO toxins in cage paint. (I would think this is very sound advice for our gliders also) Importers, distributors, and retailers advertise ALL of their bird cages to be "Toxicin Free". The manufactures of bird cages, parrot cages, monkey cages and other pet cages advertise that their baked on powder coated paint is non- toxic paint. ----------------- I recieved link from an OZ friend to SunCoasts newsletter http://www.sugar-gliders.com/glidervet-111.htm this morning in regards to their cages & wished to also make others aware to the above information - ( I purchased my pvc coated 'reptile' cages (was no glider cages back then) in the 1990's & was lucky & have had no issues - very lucky, same with my cockatoo cages although replaced one due to the powder coating finish eroding.
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/22/11 12:17 PM
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I had klubertanz wire and rools now sits in my back yard because they are toxic! I lost 9 gliders due to their cages and 4 are on chemo for cancer bebetween 2008 and 2010. When told of the problem they did not even apologize nor offer any sympathy. I can't sell the wire, or throw it away in case someone should find it and use it for some other animal. Klubertanz has cost me over 35 thousand dollars in vet bills.
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/22/11 12:45 PM
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I got the same response from Klubertanz. Sending you a pm.
Bobbi Jade, Kea, JimBob, Topaz, Sunny, Bruce, Selena, Harlan, Airyelle, George, Gracie and Pugsley.
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/22/11 01:00 PM
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has anybody talked to a lawyer abt. what is going on here. 35,000.00 lost in gliders and vet bills and everybody else that have lost their gliders or still have sick ones. seems to me a good lawyer could do something about this- as a class action suit. on another note to all the still wobbly glider owners out there. please ask your vet abt. getting a calcium edta shot-it takes out metal poisioning, b12 shots and fluid flushed and oral calcium edta to be taken at home for at least a week. my trio of gliders had all the symptoms and after this one treatment by my vet and the oral for a week, they are fine and running up their toys and gliding again. being healty gliders. my vet has seen alot of metal poisioning in birds from cages and knew what to do immediately, it worked. take care, nancy in detroit
regards, nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/22/11 01:35 PM
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I do have a call into my attorney but I'm not so sure it's going to go anywhere on my end. I did expect more from Klubertanz since their customer service was always so great. It's very disappointing. The treatment that worked for Nancy's gliders also seems to be working for mine. Mine did not get the oral calcium edta to take at home though. My vet felt too much of it can damage the kidneys. I do have one with yellow skin so he has some liver damage. The symptoms from the toxin in the wire seems to be passing. All my affected gliders are getting SAM-e & subq'd daily and the one with obvious liver damage is also getting milk thistle daily.
Bobbi Jade, Kea, JimBob, Topaz, Sunny, Bruce, Selena, Harlan, Airyelle, George, Gracie and Pugsley.
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/22/11 03:09 PM
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My Cici hasn't changed so much. She is still really unbalanced in the back end. She has been eating better, though, and seems to be as much of herself as she can be. She has some problems walking around but she seems to be able to climb fine. I'm not so sure she's going to improve anymore. I've been having a lot of problems with my back lately and been laid up in bed for the most part. Once I heal enough where I can get around a bit easier I think I'll take her back in and see what the vet says. I'll ask about the calcium shot, too.
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/22/11 03:14 PM
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jen that is a calcium edta injection just not calcium. wanted you to know there is a big difference.
hope your baby gets better.
regards, nancy in detroit
regards, nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/22/11 11:07 PM
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Just here to say I am praying for all affected glider kids and their families to get well FAST!! Bobbi, am praying for your babies and Nancy too. ((((HUGS))))
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul. My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.
Spread your wings and glide free of pain, Until the day I see you again.
God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/22/11 11:27 PM
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Aww thank you Bridget! Dekota is still hanging in there with me. He even gained 2 grams this week! Don't get too excited though...I'm hand feeding his staple. We are all thinking of you here too. You get yourself better. If you're up at midnight on a Monday call me. HUGS
Bobbi Jade, Kea, JimBob, Topaz, Sunny, Bruce, Selena, Harlan, Airyelle, George, Gracie and Pugsley.
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/28/11 05:36 PM
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i got an email from martins today, addressed to brandy i/o my name, so i emailed them back to make sure they are sending the new cage to my address. i am also concerned that these new powder coated cages are from the same wire supplier, i would think not after all this. i am still afraid to put any gliders in the new cage, very paranoid at this time with cages. has anybody received replacement cages from martins yet? regards, nancy in detroit p.s. called the vet again yesterday for coco's blood work results and it still is not back from the lab.
Last edited by hwh4ev; 06/28/11 09:09 PM.
regards, nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/29/11 10:06 AM
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I emailed Martin's after reading that they were sending out new cages, and they said I should get a tracking number later today. They said the new cages are the exact same style and size as the previously purchased cages. That leads me to wonder if it is the same wire, but powder coated instead of PVC coated.
Do we know if the testing was done on the wire? (It's been a long time since I read through ALL these threads, and can't remember, though I do remember mention of tests of something coming back negative?) My worry is whether the wire itself is safe underneath that powder coating. I'd LOVE to put the babies in the bigger cage, but don't want them to get hurt. D:
Short of that, is there a way to have our individual cages tested, or would that be insanely complicated/expensive?
~Laura~ <3 Nox (Approx. OOP 02/15/2011) and Luna <3 and a puppy - Tucker (Approx. birth 05/2007) <3
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/29/11 12:45 PM
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I know there is a way to get cage paint tested for toxic metals, but not sure that helps with the PVC issue... The best way to find a local lab if you live in a metropolitan area is probably the phone book (they usually don't have web sites); also many are associated with Colleges if you have one near you. The pricing we have experienced is "per toxic element tested for", with each being $30 or so. So if you test for Lead, Zinc, Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, and Selenium, this full test = 7 x $30 = $210. Test for Lead only, maybe $30, but we have never done that so not sure. I guess it depends on how "deep" you want the testing to be. SunCoast has our powder-coated cages tested at a lab that specializes in testing for animal issues. You can see a sample report on black HQ powder-coated cage paint here: http://www.sugar-gliders.com/images/store/blk-2011.pdfOn the PVC cages, I don't think anyone knows, specifically, what the exact mechanism is that is causing these problems. So getting one of these PVC cages tested would be more of "hunt" to find toxic sources, and so probably more expensive. Perhaps people could donate to one of the glider non-profits to get a test done at an animal tox lab like the one we use.
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Re: Update on cages and recall -PART THREE
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06/30/11 01:41 PM
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I don't believe the cage issues is a "metal" issue. I believe it is some chemical used in the processing of the pvc that is toxic. With all plastics, there is the risk that the process used in manufacturing will leave behind residue that is harmful. But without knowing the processes being used, how would the average "lab" know what to look for? The manufacture of the toxic pvc coated wire WOULD know and should be held responsible for all the testing (by independent labs) and should be stepping up to make things right for those that have had effected gliders (replacement cages from a trusted source, vet bills, as well as the cost of the animals AND emotional damages). This would take a law suit to achieve I'm afraid. Jimbo, thank you for your reassurances that Sun Coast is doing what they can to insure the protection and safety for the gliders.
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