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11/04/11 04:29 PM
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She has a vet appointment friday, Hopefully we will know more then! Her whiskers are very curly, I will try to get more pictures of her stomache/whiskers.
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Re: Hairless Sugar Glider
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11/04/11 04:49 PM
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So glad to know you are taking her to the vet. I am assuming you are meaning next Friday (since today is Friday). Do you mind me asking which vet you are going to go see? Do you mind if I share that picture with some of the vets I work with? Do you have lineage on mom and dad?
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Re: Hairless Sugar Glider
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11/04/11 05:38 PM
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Curly whiskers could be a sign of her being a truelly hairless glider and not just her having some type of illness.
In mice there is a variation called Fuzzy Hairless. They're basically hairless, but will sometimes have small amounts of hair on their face/head. They also have curly whiskers, like your joey.
The hairlessness of the mouse if caused by the skin being slightly thicker and the fur being curly and, thus, somewhat thin and fragile. The hair isn't strong enough to push through the surface of the skin, thus resulting in an animal that appears hairless.
I have no idea if that's what's going on with your little girl, but thought it was worth mentioning since you said she has curly whiskers, which would indicate that her fur, too, is probably curly.
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Re: Hairless Sugar Glider
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11/04/11 07:47 PM
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Curly whiskers could be a sign of her being a truelly hairless glider and not just her having some type of illness.
In mice there is a variation called Fuzzy Hairless. They're basically hairless, but will sometimes have small amounts of hair on their face/head. They also have curly whiskers, like your joey.
The hairlessness of the mouse if caused by the skin being slightly thicker and the fur being curly and, thus, somewhat thin and fragile. The hair isn't strong enough to push through the surface of the skin, thus resulting in an animal that appears hairless.
I have no idea if that's what's going on with your little girl, but thought it was worth mentioning since you said she has curly whiskers, which would indicate that her fur, too, is probably curly. That is what I would lean towards as well.
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11/04/11 07:58 PM
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Is it possible to see her from more angles? I'm curious about the top of her head and spine.. I've heard of a joey oop'ing with fur then the parents over grooming it all off but this ... It could be any number of things going on but based on how small she is I don't think its just a genetic thing that happened like the random occurrence of Albino. I would weigh her on a daily basis (same time everyday) make sure she is growing. If she's growing keep the family warm and happy and go ahead and follow through with your vet visit. And since you were planning to anyway go ahead with your neuter just in case this wasn't just a random fluke.
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Re: Hairless Sugar Glider
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11/04/11 11:35 PM
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My mind is completely frazzled on this! I've never seen any thing like this before. Then again, neither has anyone else. I'm extremely curious as to what the vet has to say about this little one...
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Re: Hairless Sugar Glider
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11/04/11 11:40 PM
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Her whiskers are very short. It looks like they just stated growing, or were recently all pulled out. If you can get a weight on her it would help a lot. It honestly looks like overgrooming to me. I've seen a 'hairless' glider before, and it turned out he was just overgrooming himself to the extreme. If this little one was out of pouch way too early, the mother might have felt she needed to clean her more often to keep her skin humid enough. Her new hair follicles are delicate and wouldn't hold up too well to that much cleaning. The spot on the forehead would be where daddy is marking her, so they wouldn't clean as well there maybe? I would guess she looks about 10-12 days old, unless her eyes have been open longer. The benchmark of the eyes opening is a good way to determine age.
I had a pair of rats that I bred for a few years. The female was completely hairless, with curly whiskers. The male was a super-short rex, basically the product of a hairless breeding to a non-hairless rat. Their babies were always covered with peach fuzz, never a completely hairless one. All with curly whiskers. I would think the hairless gene is connected to the rex gene, and we'd see curly hair before we saw a hairless. I believe it's similar in cats? Although I have no firsthand experience with hairless or rex cats.
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Re: Hairless Sugar Glider
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11/04/11 11:46 PM
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This looks like a typical hairless mutation. It is not a healthy mutation, and is probably associated with the gene that controls keratinization of the skin, nails and hair. These usually do not live very long, as they have a whole host of organ and tissue developmental problems. If this is the mutation I think it is the glider will have very narrow and small nails, much smaller than normal. This is the Fox-gene, same as for hairless rats. Here is a link with more information. http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/geneFamily/foxA much milder form of mutation of this gene family results in the satin gene mutation.
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Re: Hairless Sugar Glider
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11/05/11 01:51 AM
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Even if the pair is not related, there could be some "quirk" with the pairing. I really wish we could see the lineage on this joey.
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Re: Hairless Sugar Glider
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11/05/11 10:00 PM
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Sherri brought up a good point. This baby has no patagium and the hands look *off* so she started looking up babies and I got to looking at some... This looks just like a hairless mongolian gerbil or some other type of hairless rodent.... and with this person not coming back, not sharing information, Im just wondering.... another *gotcha* by chance? hairless mouse Mongolian Gerbil
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11/05/11 10:55 PM
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Normally I'd completely agree, Peggy - but this little one does have the fused toes of the back grooming claw?
Is a mystery - but I wouldn't be surprised by a "gotcha" of some sort. There's a world of speculation, and not many answers forth-coming!
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Re: Hairless Sugar Glider
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11/05/11 10:59 PM
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It reminds me so much of hairless rats. They can be bald as a babies bottom or have hair in patches like that pic above. I deff think it is not norm. The link you posted peggy i wonder if it is not a skin fungus of sorts. From the hair it does have it looks to be on a poor diet. I really wish we could find out if it is a condition like in humans where the body rejects hair. The person affected can go thru periods of time where they have some hair and then none at all. I wish i could think of the condition.
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11/06/11 12:47 AM
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Typical same pattern. Someone hasn't replied in a "timely" manner and automatically it is jumped to that this is a scam.
Maybe it is or maybe this person has been busy????
Sherri, I can clearly see a patagium on this "naked" joey. I see the fused toes.
Perhaps with all the doubts being posted, the OP will choose not to come back to this thread.
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11/06/11 12:47 AM
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I guess I'm naive, do you get a lot of gotcha's on the forum and what would be the point? I don't understand people if this is indeed true. There are so many other things to do, besides doing stuff like this.
By the way if it is a joey, it's still cute but I'd be scared of hurting her.
CK Scrat, & 2 white face females Pip and Peaches Forever imprinted on my heart Scout!
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Re: Hairless Sugar Glider
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11/06/11 01:20 AM
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If people yell scam because this person doesn't post in what you think is a timely manner, they could just opt against coming back at all. It's not like she's not gotten the advice/ideas she was seeking.
I see the fused toes and I DEFINITELY see the patagium. And she said in the first post she was planning on having Daddy neutered before this came about, so I don't think insisting on neutering is all too necessary. She planned on doing so as it was.
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11/06/11 01:21 AM
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She's already said that this joey has a vet appointment coming up on Friday. I'd give her some time to digest everything and not be so ready to jump to conclusions. If this is truly a detrimental mutation we should all be supportive of the breeder who is going through this. Put yourself in her shoes and think about what you would be going through if you found your prized gliders producing this kind of abnormal joey, and try to be a little more kind. I know the last thing I would want to do is have to come back and defend that this is actually a joey, and that I'm not trying to scam anyone with a gotcha. Holy cow, I can't even believe I just read that.
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11/06/11 01:29 AM
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If that was me going through what she is going through and came back and read all these posts, I would never come back again. I would be really hurt.
Is it possible for people to delte posts? I'll delete mine but I was just confused. Have you guys eperienced people pulling a gotcha? and why?
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