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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: Gossamer] #600895
07/31/08 01:23 PM
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Actually, they can and do. Esp. Lymphoma, that is usually exactly how they appear. I wish I had some ideas to offer. Know I am praying they can find something that can help him.


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: Cora] #600899
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I'm so sorry Gina, much hug2 and mlove you and Fawkes will be in my thoughts.

Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: pappy1264] #600905
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Gina - just saw this.

I'm SO SORRY. How horrible.

I hope Fawkes will respond well to the herbs. Let us know ...

Hugs. Let me know if I can help in any way.


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: ValkyrieMome] #601053
07/31/08 04:56 PM
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I went & picked up some waxies today - I'm going to try to turn them into moths for him. I just have to figure out how to do it - project...

I fed him about 12 of them - he made yummy noises, which made mee happy. I have 5000 mealies being overnighted to me also, so we should be good for buggies...

I also got some Ensure in case I can't keep his weight up. And I got some vanilla pudding to try mixing the herbals in.

I opened the capsules and tasted them myself earlier - one is very bitter & the other tastes like very strong veggies. YUCK! No wonder the poor boy shakes his head when I feed it to him!

Cross your fingers that the pudding hides the flavor of this stuff, because it's gross, but he needs it.

I'll be getting up at around 8am to call the vet before they get busy.

I'll be sure & let you all know what is said...

Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: Cora] #601106
07/31/08 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: Cora
You are Fawkes mom and you will make the right choices/decisions for your guy with you vet...........................the right decicions are the ones you can live with.


I completely agree with Cora. While the rest of us are giving you our experiences to draw from; you are his mom, you are making the right decisions, no matter what you know him best. He knows the love you have for him is strong and enduring and that alone is wonderful medicine for him to keep fighting. hug2


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: sugarlope] #601239
07/31/08 09:09 PM
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Thank you Ellen - I used the vanilla pudding for tonight's meds, and I cut it down to 1.5ccs instead of 3ccs. He still didn't like it, but it went much smoother than the last two times.

I tasted it myself - it wasn't good, but there was an undertaste of vanilla that probably helped.

Do you think maple syrup would be bad? I was just thinking that that stuff is so sweet, I could probably do it in 1cc, and it probably wouldn't taste as bad either.

His magnets should be here tomorrow - but my mail doesn't come until around 4pm, so I'll be waiting. Linda, I'll call you when they get here. (((HUGS)))

Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: ] #601242
07/31/08 09:17 PM
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Gina, I just read this and could cry for you, but you're an amazing glider mom and nobody knows him better than you, so I agree with what was said...follow your instincts and if your vet is saying no to surgery for example, but you'd like to further explore it as an option, be aggressive...he's your baby and we all know these guys (and girls) are our hearts, so do whatever you think is right and most helpful for him...I'll be thinking of you and Fawkes...keep us posted.


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: angelic4296] #601276
07/31/08 09:54 PM
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Gina, not sure about the maple syrup. That is really full of alot of sugar. Especially that much for such a little one. Someone else may have other info or opinion.

If you split the 3cc into 1 and a half then give the other half in about 30 min or less that should be OK. Glad the pudding worked. It's great to hide meds in.

I will keep thinking what else you can try that is sweet.


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: reeny] #601399
08/01/08 12:13 AM
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Sending prayers to you and Fawkes!

Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: ] #601685
08/01/08 10:52 AM
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Ok - talked to the vet this morning:

On the steroids - she said that in the short run, they can shrink the tumor, but generally are only effective when used in conjunction with chemo drugs, which we can't use on suggies. She also said that in the long run, they protect the tumor.

I asked if there was any way we could xray or do something to see if the cancer had spread elsewhere in his body - as this would make him a candidate for surgery if it was localized in the one lymph node. She said we could send him to the University of Tennessee for an MRI, but that would cost me about $1100 - $1200. I know cost shouldn't be a factor in his care, but I just don't have it, not even if I scrape. So this just sucks!

She said that the vitamin E and B wouldn't hurt, but she didn't know dosage or anything. So, Gretchen & Val, I need to get with you two about the type and amount of these vits that you're using.

The Ensure - she said has too many refined sugars, etc and she wouldn't use it unless he starts losing weight significantly.

I asked about the Essiac & she said that there are no clinical trials to back it up, and that there are over 40 different formulas being marketed as Essiac in North America right now - so really there's nothing to say that it doesn't work, but there's nothing to say it does either.


Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: ] #601766
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Gina, I just saw this. I'm so sorry. hug2


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: kthiessen] #602039
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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: Cora] #602078
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Gina, I know how helpless you feel right now. I felt the same way. Keep going with what you are doing, listen to your gut and heart. I'm still praying for you and Fawkes.

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Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.

Spread your wings and glide free of pain,
Until the day I see you again.

God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.
Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: Cora] #602083
08/01/08 06:30 PM
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Ok, so I ordered the VAL syrup (B vitamins) and will be starting him on 0.25cc/day.

I will also start adding 800IUs of Vit E to each batch of Priscilla's mix.

The screwy mail system didn't get the magnets here as promised, so we're crossing our fingers that they'll be here tomorrow.

Fawkes ate 20 waxies today - 13 after his morning meds, and 7 after his evening meds (he probably would have eaten more, but I didn't want to ruin his dinner).

I tried mixing the meds with honey water tonight - which we both decided was not as good as the vanilla pudding. Oh well, Mommy is trying...


Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: ] #602085
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Your doing great!!! He knows your trying!!!


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: Cora] #602100
08/01/08 07:07 PM
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Awww, Gina, God bless you. When they are sick, I think we will go to the ends of the earth to try to help them. Praying very hard there is something to help him. My prayers are with you.


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: pappy1264] #602398
08/02/08 10:43 AM
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Well, Fawkes finally lost his temper with me. We were about halfway through with his morning meds & he bit me! And Fawkes does NOT bite! Not hard enough to draw blood, but one of those pinching bites that hurts just as much. He just finally had enough I guess.

We had to keep going though, so I got bit about 4 more times while trying to finish his meds.

Hopefully the waxies he got afterwards made him forget what Mommy did to him. frown

Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: ] #602424
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I'm really sorry you have to go through this hug2

Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: ] #603082
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Quick update -

I mixed the herbals in water today & was able to do it in just barely over 0.5cc - which is about a third of what I was having to use with the pudding. So even though it the taste was ever so slightly worse, there was much less to get down.

I wonder, though, if a glider can really get the full benefit of these herbals since they don't swallow them, but just suck on them & spit out their typical "half-moons".

He was also started on the vit E last night.

Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: ] #603087
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Awww, Gina, I know about the biting...Timmy never bit either until what we just went through (he has stopped now). It is heartbreaking. My prayers for you both continue....


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: pappy1264] #603105
08/03/08 11:33 AM
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Gina - I don't even know what to say. I'm reading updates, and thinking of you both. I'm so so sorry you are dealing with this.

Hang in there, Momma. I know you are doing everything you can. You don't do things half way!


Alden
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and very many great gliders!

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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: pappy1264] #603116
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Same with Spencer....................the biting I mean. Glad you are finding ways to get his meds down though!! Give him a kiss on his little head for me please! smile


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: Cora] #603234
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Gina, I would keep doing what you are doing. I started adding Vit E to my gliders diet about 4 months ago, after doing a ton of research on it. Basically, an over dose for humans is 25,000 times the RDA. So, you have to extrapolate down for weight, and guess. The result of an OD is severe neurological problems, which, as we know are very hard on gliders. I add about 1000IU to each batch of HPW. For a one time meal (make a meal that is for one night only) I use 400IU in there (one capsule). I know none of that is very scientific, but...

As for giving his meds, try injecting it in a mealie and see if he'll take it that way (easier on both of you). Feel free to call me if you have questions, or just need to talk. I did 75 days in a row of meds with Cooper, who is very sweet, but refused to take them. He'd bite me, cry (that's awful), spit them out, you name it he did it. And he wasn't eating so I couldn't hide them. So, you have my sympathies.


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: USMom] #603472
08/03/08 09:40 PM
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The only thing I'm worried about with injecting them into worms is that the meds taste SO bad, that I don't think he'd eat the worms - I think he'd take one bite, then swear off worms forever!

I mean, it sure won't hurt to try - I just have a feeling I'll end up back at the syringe.

On the up side though - I've got it down to 0.5cc & 30mins to get his meds down! Much better than where we started.

He got his first pinkie ever tonight. My friend breeds "show mice" and always has extra pinkies & fuzzies in her freezer. Anyhow, I never tried them because I don't trust pet stors to have disease-free mice - but I know hers are clean, so we tried them tonight for the first time.

Afte his meds, I handed him a pinkie & he grabbed it enthusiastically, then he just looked at me...then he looked at it...then he looked at me...Like "What the heck am I supposed to do with this Mom?"

Well he figured it out, and so did the rest of my clan - I don't think I'll ever feed pinkies again! The carnage that ensued was just beyond me...

Anyhow, his appetite seems to be holding, so I've got my hopes up that he keeps his weight up. I'm going to be weighing him every Wednesday (that's the day we went to the vet, he weighed 175g, which was 10g less than last month).

Shauna - Are you adding the 400IUs to each meal ON TOP of the 1000IUs that is already in each batch? And how many gliders is that meal for? I'm confused...

Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: ] #603491
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No, the 400IU is for a one night meal, like if I run out of hpw and make scrambled eggs, I'll mix one capsule of Vit E in with it, so they get some. I have 15 gliders.

The 1000IU is mixed in when I make each batch of HPW up.

You can try the mealie thing, most of mine never even noticed. Cooper is the only one that did, but his appetite was very off, he vomited and had runny poo, so I can only assume taste was a big issue for him with his tummy being yucky.


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Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: USMom] #603503
08/03/08 10:10 PM
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Ok cool - one batch of Priscilla's feeds 9 gliders for about 4-5 days, I've been putting 800IUs per batch.

I'll give the worm thing a try tomorrow - I don't have mealies right now though, only waxies. My mealie shipment isn't supposed to be here unitl Tuesday.

Not so sure I can get 0.5cc in one waxie though - might take a couple...

Re: Fawkes has Lymphoma... [Re: ] #603510
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darcy is living many many yrs with lymphoma. he is on prednisone. it takes a long time to hear from donna just keep e mailing her. darcy is outliving gliders that dont have lymphoma. he got it at 2 yrs old and is 9 now.

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Thanks Karen, I have emailed Donna, hopefully she will get around to it soon.

Fawkes has me a bit worried this morning. He usually eats 11-13 waxies after his morning meds, but this morning he would only eat 3. The only thing I can think of is that maybe he's still full from all the pinkies & fuzzies I gave them last night.

I mean, it was the first night I actually saw him down at the food plate eating in a week. I don't know if he came down in the middle of the night to eat, but he hasn't been out of the pouch at all when I've gone in to check on him, except for last night.

Anyhow, I really hope he's just full, because if I can't even get him to eat worms, then we've got a problem.

Oh, I also tried injecting his meds into the worms this morning, but it was a no go. The meds are too thick - they wouldn't go through the needle.

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08/04/08 04:34 PM
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OY - Well I waited by the mail today - several important things coming (2 were for Fawkes).

The magnets are MIA, I beleive that some mailman somewhere between here and Kansas has a lovely refrigerator arrangement at Fawkes' expense.

The V.A.L. syrup arrived, but get this - IT'S EXPIRED! I know! I called the company and they said they're sending out a new bottle today & they promise it will not expire for at least a year - but ARG, I really wanted to get him started on this.

And TGI responded today also, they will not be helping with Fawkes' MRI...

This has just been a horrid horrid week...

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Oh, that doesn't sound like a good day. How is he doing today???


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