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Why is no one interested in albinos? #800038
06/28/09 06:43 PM
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Why is it that almost no one is interested in keeping/breeding albino gliders?

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800049
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I'd love one! I had a fleeting chance to get one and still sort of hope that the opportunity will come back to me. They are gorgeous.

They are also very rare and very pricey. Those two things are the main reason you don't see them around very often.


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800050
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I don't think it's that no one is interested in them. It's just that 1)they're extremely hard to breed for, 2)there are only a couple albinos in existence, 3)the breeders that DO have albinos are hogging them(hmph! lol), and 4)most of the albinos/albino hets are throwing creminos instead of albino. :\

I, personally, have a 100% albino het, but he's not paired with a girl yet because I can't decide what to pair him with yet. Other albino hets are going to be too closely related so I'm going to either pair him with a classic gray girl or with a possible cremino het from one of my 66% cremino het girls. It's a tough decision...


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: Guerita135] #800065
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I LOVE albinos....my favorite color!

I am working on expanding my program. I can say, my next female will most likely be available.


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: gliderboy4life] #800067
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mine... lol

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800068
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their all mine....

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800072
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Personally, I like the white color but not the red eyes, so I stick with the leu's.


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800095
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Originally Posted By: KristopherDeRose
their all mine....


See what I mean? They're hogging them all! tant

I LOVE abinos and would die to have one! cloud9 Of course, I've accepted the fact that I probably will never get one, lol.


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: Guerita135] #800109
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They're too expensive! And how many people can afford them once you have joeys?


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: gliderma] #800113
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Originally Posted By: gliderma
Personally, I like the white color but not the red eyes, so I stick with the leu's.

I agree. I like the black eyes more. However, of anyone wants a good home for a free albino, PM me for my address! roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: Suggiegramma] #800118
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If I decide to get another breeding pair of gliders, I know that I am going to go for the Cream's-
I am with gliderma though, the red eyes are a little weird to me.
The creams though are about the prettiest things I have seen.
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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: SugaWhit] #800141
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I was told many of the albinos have issues...

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800151
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That is not true at all....the albinos I have seen are perfectly healthy and strong gliders!


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: gliderboy4life] #800155
06/28/09 11:46 PM
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I'll have one in the distant future, probably when I am old and grey. What am I saying? I AM old and grey.

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800157
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I'd love one if I ever had the chance and money to get one

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800161
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Jenny I AM SURE you will have one one day!!!

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800167
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I think that many people are interested in albinos, but they are very expensive and extremely rare. personally though, I don't care for albinos.... There's just something about the red eyes that creep me out! Leus and mosaics however......mlove

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800192
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In the 2 years I've been on the boards I've only ever seen 1 albino for sale and he was 6 years old and within seconds of him being posted I think Roxanne probably had a dozen people on a list to get him, lol. So, aside from cost, I think that the biggest factor is that they're just never available.


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: Guerita135] #800196
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I agree with Nicole, I've been looking around for my second and final breeding pair of gliders and hopefully I'll be getting Apollo from Erin! smile I personally don't agree with having 12-40 gliders. It seems cruel and people must not have social lives! And I have talked to Albino breeders and most Albino het's HAVE been spitting out Cream-inos at us! I've been told its because Cream-inos are the t- gene and Albinos are the t+ and mostly I've sadly seen people breeding the hets with leus or leu hets, and the t- is just more easily passed along with the leu lines?

But yes, it DOES seem fishy that all the Albino breeders are hoggin'em all! AND their joeys seem to like to laugh at us and spit lovely silky Cream-inos at us..hmm I just can't help to add it all up!

~Erich

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800200
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Erich, there's only 1 albino line(Moe and Disco) and so if you paired 2 100% albino hets then they'd most likely be 1st cousins. So, the good breeders are breeding out their albinos and albino hets with non-albino hets so that they can breed them out and then breed their offspring with other albino hets in order for the pairings to not be so close.

That's why albinos and albino hets are being paired with non-hets or with leu hets.


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: Guerita135] #800206
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nicole I got that albino =] lol

I have been breeding for albinos since 04(or03?) and still have not produced one... but once i do i bet it will be the best albino ever =]

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800208
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Yeah, I know, don't remind me Kris. I'm still jealous! roflmao

I've got his gorgeous son though. grin lol



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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: Guerita135] #800210
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LOL... I want albinos... But I have to wait until my husband is ready to face the possibility of paying that much for gliders... We are still working on the price of leus. He just doesn't get that gliders are so special and so expensive!


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: wildlifeangel] #800218
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I am not sure... but I think once the T+ Cremino is in the lineage of the T-White the damaged gene which is responsible for lack of pigment is corrected by the T+ Cremino gene.

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: Judie] #800225
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I think albinos are gorgeous! And i love the red eyes <3 I've never seen an albino though. Just albino hets.


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: Judie] #800228
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Originally Posted By: Judie
I am not sure... but I think once the T+ Cremino is in the lineage of the T-White the damaged gene which is responsible for lack of pigment is corrected by the T+ Cremino gene.


That can't be true because Sheila's albino het pair had 2 albinos AND 2 creminos.

I was reading online about T+ and T- genes and from what I've read and heard(from other breeders) is that in order to produce albinos, BOTH parents must have the T- gene. However, only 1 parent needs the T+ gene to produce T+ albinos(creminos). So, if you pair a T- albino with a T+ albino(a cremino), then you will never get T- albinos, only T+ albinos. However, if you pair a T- albino with a T+ albino that ALSO has the T- gene, then you can get T- AND T+ albinos. Sooo...I assume that Sheila's albino hets both had the T- gene and at least one of them also had the T+ gene.

Perhaps when you pair 2 gliders that BOTH have the T+ and T- genes, then you'll only get T+ albinos(creminos) because the T+ gene might be strong then the T- gene? That would explain why albino hets are throwing creminos and not albinos.


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: Guerita135] #800291
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wow Nicole. Although I understood what you typed, it still made me a little dizzy!

For me, albinos of ANY SPECIES of animal are abnormal and just wrong to breed for. There are just too many genetic issues with albinos. And since these genetic issues are seen in every other species of albino animals, I just don't believe there is something magicial about sugar gliders that would prevent them from having the same genetic issues.

I've also not heard of any albino gliders living to the ages that greys (or other colors) are living to. I have a 13+ year old grey glider. I would much rather have a long time companion than spend a small fortune for one that MIGHT live half as long.


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Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: Dancing] #800401
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All I know is albino anything (humans, gators, rabbits) is not natural... There is a reason why they are rare...and it just seems wrong to me to be breeding them together...

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800404
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Oh wow I didn't see your post Teresa. Glad I am not the only one who sees this...

Yes they are beautiful... but I do not think that we should be breeding pets for beauty...

Re: Why is no one interested in albinos? [Re: ] #800406
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I have to agree with BOTH Teresa and Monika on this one.

There are so many reasons why they should not be bred. But you will always have those out there that dont believe there are health problems....so they will continue to breed them...


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