Although we refer to the state and the government, in this country the people make the laws and it is a government elected by the people.

Perhaps the people could pursue legal means to change the law.

These agencies exist to enforce the law, and they will enforce any law made by the people.

I dont know what the process is in Pa., but all states have a process for changing the law. Perhaps the legislators are not aware of the wishes of their constituents.

Someone made a comment that How could law inforcement find where you live if you didn't post where you live on line. They find offenders all the time just by posting in forums on line. It's usually not glider forums that they go snooping around in though.

they can find you with your ISP address

the key thing is there is severtal permits that are needed.. and not all permits are attainable..

also it stated that the gliders must be purchased within the state from usda licensed and properly permited breeders.

fact is in the days of yesterday, the 3 breeders that thought they all had the proper permits was missing one..
thus they were all shut down, and therefore no glider in PA is legal.
I will hunt down an old friend of mine who has posted on this many times, she was one of them that thought they had all the proper permits and licenses.

I read the usda page you had a link for please tell me where it say that Family Petauridae is illegal. Let them try and take mine here in pa I will put up bigger noise than if the steelers were banned lol From what i understood is that you can own them but you can't breed and sell ( you may give away though) them in this state.

Hmmm. You can give them away?

Interesting. You could get alot done with bartering!

I am having a great time right now ( I have nothing to fear since right this minute I don't have any gliders) fighting with the PA game commission. Ever "law they send me ( I asked for info) I am sending them back proving to them that there is nothing stating that you can not own gliders. I think they are getting frustrated now. Let them show up at my house I will file suit for harrasment. I plan on moving back to az soon where not only are gliders legal they are well loved by all.

LOL after getting about 5 emails from the PAGC that i kept sending back proving to them that nothing in law says you can not own a glider bred in PA this was their response:
"I think you need to realize that it would be almost impossible to list all animals to possess legally in PA. Whether or not she likes it, this is where the commissions stands in regards to sugar gliders. We have said the same thing since 1992. You may not like it, but that is the way it is" Well they are messing with the wrong lady lol this was my response to that letter "NO sorry not the way it is and I tend to prove it.and if that is the case why are so many gliders listed for sale by private owners with no license. When I was told about the tactics and the threats to some owners I was appalled and plan on doing something about it" I have talked to pittsburgh tv station WPXI about hopefully doing a story about gliders. Man don't get me teed off lol

and then ask for a donation to the cause of your non-profit organization for sugar gliders

Wow all of that has left me confused.

Here is my question: What if you are vacationing to PA for a few days up to a full week? The one website says they are legal as long as they are not bred or sold in PA, but some posts seem to contradict this. I may be going to PA in a few months but I will not go without my girl. She is Ohio born and adopted and no way in Hades would I even think of selling her, but would this be legal to bring her along with me?

I think you should call the PA game commission and ask...since you are not a resident of PA or becoming a resident, I think it would be fine. I would ask for something in writing though!

you will never get anything that works to your advantage from the PAGC in writing on their letterhead, they know at some point it will be used against them..

sadly it is because someone else caused such a big stink, that the breeders in pa were shut down, people push for more clarification, and they got it, now they don't like it.

before the law was obscure, and no one knew how to interpret it, when Sandy had her animals confiscated, they pushed for clearer laws. well now everyone seems to be on the same page..


as fo the website that states they can be owned, not bred or sold.. is not fact or true, be wary of websites that tell you this. PA is no longer playing games.

you may not have gliders, however you may get the gliders that are there confiscated as well.

as for visiting, they used to offer a special permit, but i believe they no longer do that. they have made several permits unavailable

This is confusing me sooo badly

I'm a "PA tard" myself, and I'm also a suggie lover. It took me forever to convince my roomate to even concider getting a sugar glider, and finally I convinced her to look into it, and she's saying it's totely illegal and I'm finding all this [censored] online about how it's legal IF blah blah blah...

Seriously, as a basic summary, is there a real truth to buying and owning sugar gliders in pittsburgh PA? I've been a lover for 6 years now and could probably give a newbie-owner advanced advice because I'm so obsessed o.0

But seriously... And I'm going to quote on this...
But what is the real truth about gliders in PA?

I spoke to someone in the Southwest region office of the PA game commision about two weeks ago.

Counties:
Allegheny | Armstrong | Beaver | Cambria | Fayette | Greene | Indiana | Somerset | Washington | Westmoreland

4820 Route 711
Bolivar, PA 15923
(724) 238-9523

I was told that gliders are indeed completely illegal to own and they WILL send an officer out to conviscate them if they get a report of someone possessing them.

so is there anything we can do? Will writing the PA state rep work?? It seems like there are established breeders in the USA so they are not coming from the wild. I don’t really understand this law. What is the process to get a law changed? Is there a way? What is the oppositions reason for keeping this law?
I called the PA game commission and they said that it is illegal to own, sell, breed or give away. If you had one prior to 1992 it is your pet and you can not give it away or sell it. The e-mail they sent back to me only said that they are illegal.

Honestly, there are positives and negatives to having sugar gliders legalized in states.. but i guess you can argue that for any state.

ANYWAYS, there are no real reasons why certain states do not allow one type of exotic but to allow others. I mean, MASS will not allow any exotic animal,but i really couldn't tell you why. Even ferrets!

You are wrong, ferrets ARE now legal. They used to be illegal until a few years ago. I was told because 'enough of a stink was made about it.' Are not reptiles considered exotics? You can own those in MA (all except Chameleons).

(sorry, I didn't mean it to sound rude! But ferrets are now legal in MA. And actually it is not that gliders are ILLEGAL, but you need a permit. MA is a very strange state!!)

So I am taking some action. Here is the letter I am sending Joe Pitts, state rep for PA. feel free to commment pos or neg. Here is the web page if you want to send him a letter and help us here in PA
http://www.house.gov/htbin/formproc_za/p...17560&zip4=



I am writing you because I am upset about a law pertaining to PA. I started researching online for a small pet that I could have as a companion and I found a sugar glider. It seemed perfect because I can’t have a dog or cat. I later found out that they are illegal in PA.
After extensive research I am unsure as to why they are illegal in PA. This is a small pet that has never killed anyone unlike the bulldogs that so many people own in the city. I can own a dangerous dog capable of killing a child but I can not own a sugar glider.
There are many established breeders of sugar gliders in the USA and they are strictly regulated by the USDA. There are many books and websites on care and diet. Gliders have been in captivity for many years and well established diets are available. All of the breeders I found across the USA care who and where their gliders go to. They provide starter kits and a wealth of information and an open door policy on questions throughout the gliders lifespan.
I understand that they are illegal to export out of Australia and I am assuming that the law in PA is to deter people from importing them. I don’t see why someone would spend more money and risk the consequences for importing a wild animal from Australia when there are so many breeders and cheaper, safer means of acquiring a sugar glider.
I know that they are an exotic pet and veterinarian care may be a concern. A vet would not be anymore knowledgeable on the veterinarian care for a hamster, turtle or some birds for that matter. Sugar gliders are a pocket pet and are as small as a hamster and it is difficult for any veterinarian to give complex care for any pocket pet.
Sugar gliders can not survive the harsh winters in PA so there is no threat to the current wildlife population.
Thank you for your time in this matter and I would greatly appreciate any information you can provide me. I know many people in PA that would love to have a sugar glider and are upset about this law. Many other states do not have this law and do not have any problems with sugar gliders. I hope PA can one day join them.

ok my question is you say they are illegal in pa? but only some counties? or is it all of pa? i like suggies. i just don't get it. it's not like we have suggies in the wild in pa. i guess when one person gets what they want. 3 thousand others have to suffer and not get suggies.

I started a petition here is the link.


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/legalize-sugar-gliders-in-the-state-of-pa

I called the game commission and they said all of PA

cool thank you.. i signed your petition

Where there are illegal pets there will ALWAYS be illegal owners. The animals will not get the proper vet care needed because the owners are living in secret. These animals might not have all they need with fear the owners may be caught obtaining these items that pet store do not carry.

It's sad. PA laws run in circles it's hard to find clearity in them. I've found information from the PGC that they themselves did not know the laws and they too lead me in circles let alone they didn't know what a Sugar Glider is.

They are considered exotic wildlife but no more wild or exotic then my ferret or chinchilla.Which can be freely bought at a pet store which sugar Gliders can as well anywhere else but 6 states.

They say you can get a permit... But they no longer hand out permits... Some say it is legal others say they are not. Sometimes they say there are laws regulating sales of them. Sometimes they say they're are a nussence. I SAY, It's all a bunch of [censored].

PGC currently has several lawsuits they're involved with one of which is Sandy Renold's case which is a sad story. Hopefully, she will finally get her animals back. One thing about her case I have reliezed. She did have sugar gliders in the beginning of the event that occured. Which the Games commission said she could keep along with a few others but they were taking all the animals that were in questioning. I have never seen any update on the case saying her sugar gliders were ever taken.

I'm hoping Some one higher up realizes what's going on. And finally does take the power of exotics out of their hands. In the PA laws the way they are stated it makes common dogs and cats even illegal. I think some one scewed up somewhere and the PGC dosn't seem to have the knowledge of the laws to interpret them anyway. They ARE just saying whatever they want because THEY can. That's the way the laws are.

How are Sugar gliders illegal, Yet Alligators and Lynx's are A-ok, or for that matter flying squirrels? Just keep your mouth shut if you live in PA, and make them get a warrant if they come around asking. Seriously its not that difficult to hide a Sugar Glider.

No, it wouldn't be hard to hide a glider, but if it needed vet care, you'd (and the glider!) would be Out Of Luck I'm afraid. IF you could find a vet that would even care for them, would they turn you in?

I suppose it depends on where you live in PA, I'd just take the glider to a neighboring state vet.

That could entail driving for several hours. In an emergency, that could be too long, unfortunately. I honestly have no idea what I'd do if I lived there. I can't give up my babies. If IN was made illegal for suggies, I can drive 20 minutes to IL for vet care. But if it were several hours, I don't know if I could see myself doing that. It would be hard, but I'd have to put my gliders' well-being first.

According to Wikipedia (which is usually VERY unreliable) as of March 2009, " In Pennsylvania, they are legal as solely house pets, but breeders require a special permit and there are restrictions on the sale."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Glider


How would someone go about finding out if this is true? If so, I know of atleast ONE GC member we would LOVE to have back posting here without having fear of her gliders being taken from her.

vets in illegal states quite frequently care for any and all animals, no questions asked. for the most part, vets care about the animals far more than the laws.

I speak from experience when one friend had ferrets in an illegal state, and another friend had something else illegal in a different state - I forget what. Hedgehogs maybe?

I'm NOT saying this by way of encouraging anyone to break the law! However, it is a common misconception that vets will report you.

I know of one in a different state whom I miss HUGELY. I wish they could all join us here with no fear!

And, I also know that in Pennsylvania - at least one woman was forced to give up her gliders on the spot when authorities found she had them. So ... best to make sure!